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Livetrack issues unacceptable - Why isn't this high priority and deemed critical ?

I am well aware that there are several other posts about the current state of Livetrack on the Android platform, but I have intentionally created a new thread.

As a software engineer and architect of 25 years who has worked on both desktop and mobile platforms I am well qualified to comment on the current situation, and I find it unacceptable.

Lets analyse the situation as it stands, point form:

1. A system that was working perfectly for months, if not years, previously is now suddenly completely broken in multiple different ways.

LiveTrack refuses to start at all for many users, sometimes it will only start manually and not automatically, and sometimes it will start both manually and automatically, but then it refuses to stop automatically if it started automatically.

That's 3 separate and distinct issues with LiveTrack that have now appeared at the same time, out of nowhere, directly related to recent updates to the Garmin Connect app for Android.

2. A multitude of different users are all reporting the same issues, all of whom did not have these problems previously, which clearly indicates to me that the problem lies squarely with the Garmin Connect software on Android (or possibly compatibility issues between that software and the latest version/s of the Android OS), and it has nothing to do with customers hardware or customers doing something wrong.

Re-installing the Garmin Connect app does not fix the problems permanently or properly.

Deleting all application data for the Garmin Connect App does not fix the problems either.

3. Having re-installed the Garmin Connect software on my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, which has never had any problem running Connect or Livetrack before, 4 times in the last 3 days, and observing that re-installation only temporarily fixes the problem, I can safely say that re-installation is NOT a solution to the current issues, certainly not with the current version of the software.

I haven't trained for several months due to medical problems, but when I stopped training everything was working perfectly my side, with the SAME phone and the SAME Garmin Edge 520.

Now I come back a few months later, install all the pending updates, and suddenly things that were working, literally for years, simply do not work anymore and are completely broken and unusable?

I find this state of affairs to be completely unacceptable for several reasons, namely:

1. First rule of deploying software updates live is: You do not remove functionality unless you plan to replace it with something better and you NEVER introduce changes that break backward compatibility or are considered breaking changes in any way.

2. LiveTrack is a SAFETY feature that many people rely on, and is one of the best things that Garmin have done on their platform, and yet there appears to be no sense of urgency to fix this problem? Why not?

I fail to understand how these current LiveTrack issues are not deemed to be Critical Severity A issues that warrant an emergency hot fix. Where I currently work, something this damaging to the company's reputation, having this much of a negative impact on users, would immediately be escalated to our highest severity level and our developers would basically LIVE at the office until this was resolved and a hot fix was released to patch this ... WITHIN 48 HOURS maximum.

3. If Garmin know that it's their software causing this, and I think we can all agree that it's patently obvious that it is at this point, but they don't know how to fix it and are battling to pin down the root cause, then they need to ADMIT that and COMMUNICATE with their user base properly, instead of ignoring all of us and refusing to deal with the issue.

Have they never heard of public relations?

Having spent the last 3 days of my life fighting with the Garmin Connect app and LiveTrack, having LiveTrack work when it feels like it (in different ways, apparently depending on the time of day, the phase of the moon, and who knows what else), or not work at all, I am now at the end of my tether.

This is not new software and not even a new feature in existing software. This was working perfectly, for a very long time, and somebody did something to break it, and Garmin need to figure out who did what, and fix it. And they should do so as a matter of urgency, not take 6 to 8 weeks to maybe release a patch, while they refuse to communicate.

Furthermore, this is not even difficult to reproduce. I've managed to get it to break multiple times in the last 3 days, in multiple different ways, without even trying to break it. In fact, I was trying NOT TO break it.

@Garmin: What is going on? What are you doing to fix this? Why is this not being dealt with urgently as it should be? Why are you not communicating with your users properly?
  • P_W_P you'll see the no signal failure after the activity has completed. I use it for the same reason you do. Although, I asked that my wife to start wondering where I am sooner than 24 hours later. After that, the LiveTrack link is no longer valid. Then she'll need a search party and bloodhounds. My LiveTrack has been solid ever since the last update. I even checked it during the activity by installing an app that takes a screenshot of the LiveTrack site every 2 minutes or so. Then I can watch it later.


    Thanks, seilogramp. It's been working fairly well for me too. If something happens to me the watch will probably still be live-tracking, but of course that wouldn't be the case if the battery ran down or the watch/phone were damaged. Hopefully my wife will miss me well before 24 hours have gone by. ;)

    For the last ~6 months I've been spot-checking the Live Tracking page after finishing my activities. It's almost always looked fine. I saw one instance of it showing me at latitude: 0, longitude 0 (off the coast of Africa) and one instance of the no-signal message. I always wait until I'm well away from home, and thus firmly switched from Wi-Fi to cellular, before starting activities as that used to cause issues. I do see delayed start of live-tracking, but it usually engages within the first mile of a run.

    It hadn't occurred to me to periodically snapshot the webpage. I'll give that a try.

    Thanks again.

    -- Pete
  • After an update to both the app and the 520+ this week, Livetrack auto-started this morning and gave a valid map position. Here's hoping...
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    0 Former Member over 6 years ago
    I haven't managed to get Livetrack to successfully complete tracking a ride for quite a long time. Edge 1030 with latest 7.00 FW, Google Pixel 2 with Android 9, latest 4.13.7 GCM. When I first purchased the 1030 almost a year ago, Livetrack worked fine with the then-current versions of FW and GCM, but all Garmin seem to have managed to do since then is to regress it to various forms of uselessness.

    Livetrack usually gives up after I've ridden less than a kilometre - when my wife looks at the tracking, it either shows that I appear to have stopped a couple of blocks away, or it doesn't show any tracking and displays a text box saying "No signal. Trying to reconnect.". Occasionally it starts working towards the end of a ride - today I checked when I got home before I ended the activity, and it was showing only the last couple of kilometres of a two hour ride.

    So far I have tried the following to see if they will fix the problem:

    a) Performed a reset on my Edge 1030 after the latest FW update - this made no difference

    b) Cleared cache and data for GCM on the phone - this made no difference

    c) Uninstalled and reinstalled GCM 4.13.7 on the phone - this made no difference

    d) Uninstalled GCM and installed an older version (4.12.3) - this just took me back to the problem where the Livetrack website shows the location at Lat 0 / Long 0 off the coast of Africa.
  • I did a 33km ride this morning , still on version 4.8 and it worked perfect . I messaged Garmin on Twitter and they responded saying

    "Our engineers are aware of an issue like this. They are working hard to resolve it. If you’d like to provide me with your serial number, I will add you to the case. This means you will be emailed by our product support team once this issue is resolved."

    Hope they get this sorted asap . The only problem i still have ocassionally on 4.8 is bluetooth disconnecting
  • We're now 3 months further and still the problem with Livetrack lives on...
    Even so the daily wakeup call from the location manager when my phones location is set to "off" .. disturbing ….
    Other or new features are possible more important... you allready spend your money ..
    I'm disappointed and when someone ask me if i recommend Garmin Connect / Watch/gear …. I don't know what to advice …
  • I have had 3 succesful runs today and yesterday on 4.13.7 edge 1030 on 7.0 and huawei p20pro phone.
    Autostart and mail. All have been working.
  • Mine auto-started immediately this morning, rather than starting somewhere in the first mile as it has been doing. Looks promising!

    -- Pete
  • I've called phone to a German service centre and I told with a nice support man. He told me, LiveTrack works, there is no any problem, they didn't get any report yet about the problem with LiveTrack. He said, maybe Huawei phones make troubles, but they don't know the no-connect-error.
    So what about you? Did you try to call phone to the service centre in your country?
  • Two more rides with it working today.

    This time with latest connect version. 4.13.8.

    On a huawei and i have the "device connection aid" mentioned above started.
    ???