Garmin Zumo 660 and BaseCamp long term Review

I have recently returned from a 4,500 mile tour of the UK and rather than throw both the Zumo 660 and BaseCamp out of the nearest window I thought perhaps a review would be the better option. This tour was long in the planning and comprised 25 different routes all meticulously created in BaseCamp and saved on an SD card inserted in the Zumo. The routes comprised a 700km run from my home in Germany to the French port of Calais and a mirror image of the same route for the return journey. All other routes were executed in the UK.
It would perhaps have been better had I recorded or noted every error that was thrown up during this tour but that would have meant me stopping every few miles/kilometres or so to make these notes which simply wasn't practical. Listed below, therefore, is a general summary from memory of just some of the errors.
(a) Garmin appear not to be aware of the British road classification system as routes that were planned and being displayed both in BaseCamp and consequently the Zumo as 'A' roads were in fact nothing but single track roads that one would even hesitate to use even when taking one's dog out for an evening stroll. By that I mean, roads that are/were so narrow that one can only negotiate with car side mirrors folded in/collapsed. It became increasingly frustrating when time and time again one met a car coming the opposite way and it was a toss-up who was going to reverse back to a nearest point to pull in which often meant several hundred yards/metres. Garmin or their subsidiary should really start issuing maps using the correct road classification system and it is worth noting that of the cars that I met coming in the opposite direction were all using Garmin devices and were equally annoyed/frustrated.
(b) There is no real reason that I can think of when travelling on the same road for over 30 miles/kilometres that a GPS device has to announce every single curve in the road which was my experience. For example - I was often advised - 'in 200 metres turn left onto the A1234 when I'd already been travelling this road for the past half an hour or so. In my opinion only deviated from a road or a change in road number need to be announced - when continuing on the same road these extra announcements are both unneeded and annoying.
(c) Linked to (b) above is the fact that I would receive instructions - 'in 200 metres turn left on NoSuchStreet (fictitious name). The actual road sign ahead of me shows A1234 to Brighton so why the Zumo/BaseCamp more often than not gives a street name is beyond me as most of the time no street name is actually to be seen on the road especially when it's a major highway. I can understand this situation more when a used enters a specific address to be taken to but not when routes are being travelled.
(d) I lost track of the amount of times that I was instructed to proceed straight ahead into a farm yard/track when the road curved either left or right and was correctly shown as such on the display. OK, I would have been stupid to have obeyed the instruction but list it simply to demonstrate the total lack of QC in the production of Garmin map software.
(e) On other occasions I was instructed to turn right onto road A1234 with the display showing this turn. However, once the turn was executed the route would disappear off the display followed by the warning - 'off route, recalculate?. I've simply lost count of the number of U-turns that I have executed over the past few weeks. Linked to this were numerous announcements stating that a left/right turn should be executed with the display quite clearly showing the opposite way.
(f) The following is a peculiarity that I have only experienced during the UK leg of the journey and that involves the extremely late announcements. On many many occasions I was actually upon the junction when the instruction came to turn either left or right. When in heavy traffic and traversing complicated junctions this can be a hazard as several times I found myself in the wrong lane with no possibility of getting across to the correct lane. As mentioned earlier, I have only experienced this in the UK and am of the mind therefore that this is somehow linked to the UK map set. It would be interesting to hear comments from UK users in this regard.
(g) The final leg of the journey from Calais (France) to my home in Germany was a mirror reversed image of the outbound leg. For reasons known only to Garmin the Zummo 660/BaseCamp decided to disregard this planned route and came up with one of it's own without any warning. The extra distance involved was 13km which over a leg of over 700km is nothing and it also saved me over Euros 60 in road Tolls as well so I'm not complaining too hard. Thinking perhaps that I had somehow created another route and not the mirror reversed route of the outbound leg as first thought I uploaded the track to my PC and compared it to the route saved to the card. The result was that my planned route was correctly saved to the card but the route travelled was completely different. Interesting - I hope this doesn't happen too often in the future as routes that I plan are the ones that I actually want to travel.

In short, I believe this long tour has given the combination of the Zumo 660 and BaseCamp a good workout and shown one or the other (maybe both) to be wanting. If I was living in the UK and reliant on the Z660/BaseCamp to get me from A to B in order to make deliveries (employed as a lorry/truck driver for example) I would have severe reservations in putting my reliance in them. The occasional errors with any modern piece of equipment etc is to be expected and can be forgiven but such basic errors such as single track country roads being displayed as major 'A' roads is really unforgivable and needs some urgent attention by Garmin.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    What maps are you using on the Zumo and in BaseCamp? Can you give a specific example of a minor road that was displayed as an A-road?
  • I don't have a zumo so can't comment on some of your posts, but I have used a 1490 extensively in UK during the past 3 years and haven't noticed it taking me down 'roads so narrow that you need to fold in door mirrors' when there were sensible other alternatives. In some rural parts of the country narrow roads with pull ins are quite numerous, just a fact you have to live with if you expect to travel through them. Nor have I ever been confused enough to think it's directing me into a farmyard, and turn instructions are given well in advance, as well as when you get closer to the turn. So either this is an issue with the zumo or yours isn't perhaps working as intended :confused:

    I understand your frustration with street names rather than road numbers, but there has been a big change with the latest map updates, so i wonder which map you have loaded? From 2013.40 onwards my 1490 is now announcing road numbers rather than names for the majority of major routes. It's still not 100% but I expect future map updates to increase this, just like junction view numbers increased with successive map updates.
  • Using the latest map set 2013.4.1 in both BC and the Zumo. Examples are far too numerous to mention Sussamb but if you ever happen to be down Devon way try taking a trip from Bodinnick to Polperro. BC doesn't even show a road number for the direct route whilst the Zumo 660 shows it as being an 'A' road although the same map set in both.
  • I get the same route in both, and having been brought up in Plymouth the route seems pretty good to me. Note that all the roads around there are pretty narrow though, that's part of the charm some would say :)

    Route doesn't show as an A road in either BC or on my 1490, which is correct as there isn't an A road linking those two villages.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Alternereus, If you decide to throw your Zumo out the window, please throw it over to me here in AZ, USA! :)
  • I assume that you have created a route and zumo tried to follow it? Except one leg ;)
    On BaseCamp there are many settings which influence tracing a route. Your description fits results you can get when using "shortest distance" option. Could you summarize used options?
  • I love my zumo but hate the base camp software. IT should be simple but it is real trash to use. go ahead and throw it out. I am about to remove it from my PC and find something else to use with the wonderful Zumo 660. In fact I am thinking about upgrading to the Zumo 665 to get the weather radar...but not because of Basecamp, trash software
  • I quite agree. I've now had my zumo for two years now and am resigned that the Americans don't give a jot about producing some decent navigation software. Here in the UK we tend to navigate by firstly Road numbers then next major town and lastly the street....Garmin do it completely in reverse!


    Are you running the latest maps? There has been a change recently, certainly I've seen it on my nuvis, with road numbers now being used on many routes in the UK, and I suspect like junction view that will increase with future map updates.
  • With regard to the original post, not trying to be sarcastic just a little facetious, was this your first trip using Garmin? All of your headaches have been experienced by me. I don't even get excited anymore. The industry needs some competition.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    I've never had so much trouble with my Zumo 550. Are your settings correct?
    When you have made a route and deviate from it and recalculation is set on automatic, it creates a new route.
    If you have set to avoid highways mainroads and so on in your Zumo, it will take you through backroads as that are the settings your Zumo has to work with, not the settings of BaseCamp.
    I've been on some backroads near Clastonbury, but that was my own doing, I planned to do so.
    I'm also not too exited (to say it politely) about BaseCamp, that's why I'm using MapSource most of the time.
    MapSource doesn't remember your previous routes, waypoints etc. nor will it try to get all the information from your Zumo.