Configure Basecamp suggestions..

I have used MS for a long time and have liked it because it works like the standard applications over the years.

MapSource will no longer be supported so I have been trying to learn and work with BC. So I will be asking for a number of ideas on how to setup BC to work using my logic. My problem with BC is everything you do is in one file and it is like taking a cardboard box and setting it on the floor and putting all your business and personal papers in the same box then trying to find them. Yes you can put documents in different folders in the box. So here goes with the questions. I plan to update this thread so I can keep everything togeather in one place.

A bit of history. I retire in 2007 and sold my property and travel fulltime in a 5th wheel. Saying this, I have a lot of waypoints and routes in seperate files sorted folders by year. In the folders I have each route saved in the folder by year/month/day with a name of the from and to locations. Example, 2012-05-11 Springhill COE, Barling AR To Branson Stagecoach RV Mo. I have a MS file with all the campgrounds I have stayed at listed by name and state (this is in a MS file). I don't expect to configure BC to meet the way I have used MS. This is just to give you an idea of how I have been managing my maps.

About BaseCamp. I have a pretty good feel of how BC works and am getting use to it so I am really looking for info on how to manage my waypoints, routes and such. So here we go.

What is the difference between a Folder and a list? I do know you can put lists in a folder but in a way you still see all the same thing.
Example: We are escapees and I want to keep a list of them. I create a folder called "Escapees". In the folder I create a list called "Campgrounds" If I click on "My Collection" I see all the waypoints. If I click on the "Escapees" folder I see all the waypoints. If I click on "Campgrounds" I see all the waypoints.
This is so redundant. In the "My Collection" I expect to see everything. OK.. But in the folder I should only see the name of the lists. Then I open the lists to see what is there.
The way this is working out is to just save everything in "My Collections". You need some way to section or seperate information into logical parts.

What is the folder "Unlisted Data" for. If you make a waypoint, route or such it is in "My Collection". Why have it in two places. I would like to remove "Unlisted Data". I would also like to remove Garmin Adventures . If I want to do Adventures then I could activate it.

I would like to have a list/folder or what ever that I can have all my waypoints and list them by state. It would help me to think about going to a state and I could go to the list/folder and select the state and see if I already have the campground available.

I know how to backup my BC Data file and I can export the data to a .GPX or GPB file. I also know how to export selected items to a file.

So, I can maintain a database, export data to different files, backup the entire database.

I actually hope the infomation collected here will help me and others that have similar ideas.

I ask that the thread stay on topic because there is nothing we can do to change the way BC is written and we will soon not be able to use MS. Just as well learn to use BC and learn to use it to the best as we can. I have no real problem with BC, I just need to learn how to use it in a way that fits my logic. With your help I believe I can do this.

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    Well, I DO have SOME sympathy for most of them....

    I have no trouble with newbies as such. I, and others, have helped many. What I have an issue with is those that can't be bothered helping themselves (e.g. via the forum search feature, reading whole threads), are rude or insult my or others intelligence. Over the last few days many have fallen into the latter category. And I'm not afraid to call them on it.
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    The GPS newbies are continually posting the same complaint over and over against despite being told the issue. They can't even be bothered reading the threads for the most part.
    This is certainly true, but in a better world Garmin would make it easier to understand which devices work with MS and/or BC, and publicize the notion that using a computer to plan and store what is done with the portable device is a very powerful tool. It's sad that the people who want to try to figure this stuff out have to search through the site to even find these boards, because there's no other way to do the more difficult stuff that isn't covered in the 12-page "quick-start" pamphlet.

    I've been working with Garmin stuff for 13 years, and navigating boats (the old way, with the sun, the stars and a clock) for much longer than that, and I'm amazed that Garmin blows off these capabilities of their devices and software. Where's the manual, even if it's online? I pieced together a way to use MS that worked very well for me, but when I recently needed a more powerful device with current maps for Europe, I had a hell of a time figuring which one would allow a similar capability. When I started in 1999, there were maybe a dozen devices. Now it looks like there are two or three hundred, but perhaps I exaggerate. Figuring out which ones talk to MS or BC is near impossible. I didn't even know Base Camp existed until I poked around in every possible crevice on the website.

    When I tell acquaintences and friends how I use my GPS, and how much I enjoy being able to look up journeys I took years ago to remember how long it took, or where I ate lunch, or how high the pass was, or any of a number of other things, they say "how can I do that too?" I tell them that I've barely figured it out, and it's taken a decade or more. The stuff I used at the beginning isn't available anymore and the new stuff isn't especially user-friendly.

    Don't crap on the newbies. It's a wonder there are any.
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    You raise many valid points. Garmin isn't great at documentation. That said they're not the only ones.

    We live in a high-tech society where many devices are both fairly easy to use and very reliable. As a designer (electronics, firmware etc) with decades of experience I''ve seen this change (stuff 30 years ago was not so user friendly and often failed). Nowadays almost everyone can use a computer, smartphone, GPS etc with little or no understanding of the technology behind it. That's a double-edged sword IMO. Technology easy enough for the masses--good. Not having a clue about it--bad.

    Most people can understand stuff. It's not that they're stupid--many just can't be bothered. As long as the computer/phone/GPS is working they're quite content to watch "American Idol" and "Jersey Shore" (substitute the local equivalents for your part of the world) and remain ignorant. Well as Dean Vernon Wormer said in the movie Animal House "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." More and more people are quite content to do that nowadays on the assumption that someone somewhere (with knowledge) will take care of stuff for them. When they don't, or don't do so immediately, they get angry.
  • I'm not even sure more detailed manuals are the answer. My kids range from 34 to 10 years old. They all 'play with stuff' to get it to work. When I suggest reading the manual I'm looked at as though I'm a dinosaur. Seems nowadays the young expect to be able to work things out ... and that's fine with a GPS until things go wrong. Indeed many GPS owners will gaily use theirs without a fuss as they simply want to switch it on and use it.

    Unfortunately as we know things go wrong when people 'play', and that's when we see them here or on other forums :)
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    I'm not even sure more detailed manuals are the answer.


    Well writing good technical documentation is hard (for me anyway). I've worked with quite a few Technical Writers over the years and understanding a complex technical subject/device and translating that into simple English is quite a trick. I'm barely able to write English :) The Queen's English is another thing entirely :D

    Another issue is that many devices these days are never really "complete". Features are added/changed often. In fact that's expected nowadays. Keeping manuals up-to-date is a difficult task. One may just finish a manual update as a new firmware version comes out.
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    Well writing good technical documentation is hard.


    Yes, it sure is and it doesn't pay very well unless you're a government employee! :mad:

    If I were to write a comprehensive manual for both BC and the Montana it could easily run to a thousand pages with pictures; I wouldn't take less than $50,000 for the job!:D
    And of course it would be obsolete before it was published, and no one would buy it anyway.

    If it were not for this forum and the ADVRider one on the Montana, I would have NEVER even figured out a tenth of it, even after owning GPS equipment since 1992. Such is life in the 21st Century.
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    Such is life in the 21st Century.

    Exactly!
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    See BaseCamp Wiki for Database Discussion

    I have put my earlier post in the basecamp wiki here: http://garmin-mapsource.wikispaces.com/BC_Database
    I'll make any future updates there.
    You can send me a PM with comments, corrections, suggestions.
    -ceej
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    See here: http://garmin-mapsource.wikispaces.com/BC_Database for a better organization of this information
    -ceej

    Edited 01/02/13: updated 8 with right-click info
    Edited 12/30/12: addition of 6a, 6b, other minor changes/additions.



    Thanks so much for the effort of writing this up. I'll see if I can link to that in a sticky somewhere.