Garmin Adventures

I'm having a problem with deleting a published adventure as well. I accidently published an adventure without removing my home from it. For obvious reasons I'd rather that not be there. I THOUGHT I had removed it within BC. In fact I had, but now I can't seem to get rid of if online.

I edited the track, removing my home, and then published.

Since I removed the first attempt from BC, I'm unable to open the adventure's properties and archive it. If we can't get to the data that you guys now have stored online and delete, or edit in smaller cases, this is going to be a deal killer for me.

I'm very excited in this adventure part. I can see this making my ride reports SUPER slick now. In fact I have submitted 2 as ride reports already. I'm confident the DELETION part can be figured out.

thanks. looked like that did it. Didn't think of th edownloadng to my own netbook as solution.. but seemed to do the trick, tks

Well, like most Garmin software titles, Adventures are off to a very rocky start.

I have a long list of issues with adventures and my Montana 650 and multiple Oregons as well as a Dakota 20 that I have emailed to appropriate support personnel.

Now, here I am going to discuss many shortcomings with BaseCamp.

I created an Adventure this weekend after a nice hike up and down a local mountain.

I wanted to use my recorded tracks, but BaseCamp has such incredibly poor track editing features I finally gave up in favor of creating a track from scratch to simulate the hike I had been on. I had two tracks, one going and one coming, running along each other, with a few slight off course deviations, and some ugly squiggles where I might have stopped for a few minutes, and I could not zoom in far enough to see the individual track points I wanted to delete to clean up the track. I do have far superior track editing software I use for other purposes, but regardless of how I save the edited track with these other software titles, when I try to import them into BaseCamp, I just keep getting "BaseCamp had a problem importing this track...." error messages.

BaseCamp has always, and continues to refuse to play well with ANY .gpx file it did not create. Strangly, I can copy the modified tracks to my Montana or Oregon, and they read them just fine. FALAGAR, can we please get the programmers workin gon BaeCamp to loosen up restrictions on importing GPX files? Ultimately, they all have the same basic core information wrapped in the same tags, but for some reason, if BaseCamp sees something it didn't write, it rejects the entire GPX file. This is the case with Tracks, Routes, and Waypoints or Geocaches.

So, I made this new Adventure with a 5.5 mile track, 3 waypoints (Start, Finish, Scenic View), 15 photos, and 10 nearby geocaches (downloaded from groundspeak via premium membership). Put the whole thing together, and published it yesterday. My home PC shows my adventure with 1 track, 3 waypoints, 15 photos, and 10 geocaches.

Once submitted, I deleted my original from my home computer, searched for it online, downloaded Garmins edited version, and all the geocaches are showing up as waypoints. Did the same thing at work today, and they loaded properly as geocaches. Both machine are WinXP, BC 4.0.1 - so What the Heck, Garmin?

IF I send the adventure to my Montana from my home PC, the GC's show as waypoints, but if I send the Adventure from work PC they show as GC's.

I also had edited the found GC's as unfound, and they originally all showed as unfound, until Garmin edited the Adventure, and now the GC's that I have found show as found when I download the current version from the server. This is useless to other Garmin ADventure seekers. As well, when they are changed to waypoints, they loose all their valuable geocache information, making them useless waypoints at best.

Regarding other Adventures available online, I have downloaded about 20 of them, and many will not properly transfer to my Montana, Dakota, or Oregons. I can look on the devices, see the GPX files for each adventure, see the JPG photos loaded, etc, but som will randomly appear in the list on the device, but after nest boot up, they will be missing, or they will list tracks, waypoints and photos as part of the Adventure, but when you try to view those items, the GPSr claims it can not find the specified data. But I can find all of it on the device itself, not the uSD card.

And why does BC allow us to drag Adventures to our uSD cards when the GPSr devices will not recognize any adventures put there?

Also, when moving Adventure around, I noticed you can accidentally drag one adventure to another, and all the waypoints, tracks, photos etc for that adventure will be added to whatever adventure you were hovering over when you accidentally released the mouse button, while the original is still present in the original position.

AND, I see no way to pause an Adventure in progress on the GPSr without Ending the Adventure, which then shows as completed in the list, even though it wasn't. And I see no way to mark a completed adventure as not completed. And the Montana Calendar does not show logs for completed adventures (yet).

BaseCamp needs immediate attention given to track editing tools. Oh, and why can I not simply select a Waypoint on the map in BC and DRAG it to a new location? How about a right click menu option to "drag to new location', then let me reposition the waypoint with a left click? Nooo... we have to actually try to determine the coordinates of the location we want to move it to, then manually enter them in the Waypoint details. Same for Photo's, etc. I need to be able to simply move a photo on the map and have the geo-tagged information updated dynamically. I took many photos of parts of the trail, but on my map, they may be 20-30' from the track. This is within the error range of the GPSr device, but I wanted to move them, er...DRAG them, to the track in BC so they would appear in the correct place.

Hey, I know Adventures are very new, and I jumped in both feet first, and am finding them to be almost unusable, and severely frustrating to create.

Garmin, if you want people to submit them, you need to make the much easier to produce, and they can not be changing GC's to WP's and vice versa, or people will simply not bother to make any more, and your project will FAIL.

Thank you for your feedback, and I apologize for your troubles.

You mentioned a lot of issues, I'll try to address some of them as best as I can:

1. Reading GPX files. To our defence, BaseCamp is using a proper XML parser that just enforces the schema. However, no one else seems to be doing this, so it quite frankly makes us look bad. We are looking into using a different parser that is more tolerant of invalid files.
2. I found your adventure at http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/atlas-cached/rattlesnake-ledge-2, looks like you tried another time. Your GeoCaches show up as waypoints for me. And that is the intended behavior if the Geocaches are from geocaching.com. For legal reasons we are not allowed (or at least unsure if we are allowed) to store the cache as is. OpenCaches should round-trip fine.
3. We are working with the device team about how adventures show up, and about adventures not being recognized when sent to an SD card.
4. You can move a waypoint with the Move tool (M).

Thank you for your feedback, and I apologize for your troubles.

You mentioned a lot of issues, I'll try to address some of them as best as I can:

1. Reading GPX files. To our defence, BaseCamp is using a proper XML parser that just enforces the schema. However, no one else seems to be doing this, so it quite frankly makes us look bad. We are looking into using a different parser that is more tolerant of invalid files.
2. I found your adventure at http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/atlas-cached/rattlesnake-ledge-2, looks like you tried another time. Your GeoCaches show up as waypoints for me. And that is the intended behavior if the Geocaches are from geocaching.com. For legal reasons we are not allowed (or at least unsure if we are allowed) to store the cache as is. OpenCaches should round-trip fine.
3. We are working with the device team about how adventures show up, and about adventures not being recognized when sent to an SD card.
4. You can move a waypoint with the Move tool (M).

Thank You FALAGAR for the quick reply. I have been trying to respond all morning, but by the time I type the response, and submit, I am logged out and it is lost. Seems the forums here have not solved the log-in issues yet.

1. I commend Garmin for wanting to stay true to pure GPX files, but you will surely hear from more than me about how BaseCamp is not compatible with any other software generated GPX files, and I am certain the software engineers there can find a way to extract the important information from any GPX without simply rejecting the entire file. :)

2. Most unfortunate. Gonna pretty much kill that feature of Adventures if Garmin and Groundspeak can't find a way to put their differences aside. Non paying free groundspeak members can already access most geocache information from GC.com - so I do not understand why they can not be left as originally imported into the Adventure.

3. I am looking forward to device and BaseCamp updates soon to make Adventures more usable!

4. I think the (M) here means Moron. It never occurred to me that the Move Point tool was not just for Track Points. :o

Created a new adventure after going on a 2 day paddle & portage and used the trip to build, edit & update the adventure a few times. Used a map62s for the track & waypoint data and iPhone4 for the geocoded images. Didn't encounter any issues when creating the adventure.

http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/by/thecyr/kejimkujik-np-historic-waterways#overview

1. There is still an issue with the online view (web page) not updating after I re-publish the adventure (at home on Mac). However, the adventure via basecamp is updated fine (i downloaded from my work system windows 7).

2. The distance & time summary from the Find pane in basecamp doesn't match the callout when you click on the adventure on the map. The summary info displayed on the map is correct.

3. on the online view | details section, the duration should switch to h:min. My adventure says 1690min and I can't convert into hr that easily ;)

4. I'd like to see somewhere how many times the adventure has been viewed or downloaded (wish list).

5. Also like to be able to embed a snapshot widget of the summary info from the map callout. For example, I'll be referencing the adventure in a blog post. I used to include the garmin connect embed code to display the track (eg - http://www.novascotiablogs.com/2012/05/wilderness-hiking-within-city-limits.html) . If there could be something like that or like the summary for blog posts. (wish list)

Last thing for me to do on this adventure is to add the opencaches that I placed along the route, and republish later today. http://www.opencaching.com/en/#!series/15260

This time around, it was easier to create the adventure after practising a few times last few weeks. It does get easier. I'm still debating whether to join multi-day tracks or leave them as individual. To me, choosing a single track as the main won't display the total "picture" of the adventure (ie time & distance).

Thank you very much for your feedback. We'll see what we can do.

Regarding point 2: is that for PC or Mac? Because on the PC, we only show the distance of the adventure starting point from the search location.

Regarding point 2: is that for PC or Mac? Because on the PC, we only show the distance of the adventure starting point from the search location.

my mistake, just happened that I had track segments that were close to what was displayed. :o

my mistake, just happened that I had track segments that were close to what was displayed. :o

No worries, I get confused by that as well sometimes.