POIs, Waypoints, Via-Points, Shaping Points 101

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The concepts are quite simple. It's the method of distinguishing one from the other that is likely quite subtle in the code.

POI - A formal Point Of Interest. An entry in the internal POI database with a name, location and usually other information associated with it.

Waypoint - Any arbitrary point on the map that you have designated you want to keep track of. Usually stored in the "Favorites" or "My Locations" or whatever your personal navigation device calls its waypoint storage database. Your device will usually allow you to store such things as the location, any arbitrary name you want to supply and other information such as address, phone number, category(ies) and a symbol/icon to be used when displaying it.

Via Point - A point used to create a multipoint route, e.g. Go from Point A to Point B via some other arbitrary point(s) that you will designate. If your personal navigation device supports multipoint routing, the via point can be a POI, an existing waypoint/favorite or any other form of location that is searchable on your device, e.g. address, intersection/junction, custom POI, etc. In most cases, to use something as a via point it must already exist in one of the devices' searchable databases.

Shaping Point - In Mapsource, to "shape" a route to go exactly where you want there are a couple of methods. Just as with the personal navigation device, you can edit the route's properties to insert Via points (these are not shaping points although they do serve a similar purpose). You can also just use the route tool to click on spots on the map to force the shape of a route. When you do that, you are using a location that is not already in one of the searchable location databases. Mapsource does not force you to add these points to any of the formal databases. It simply inserts the actual coordinates invisibly into the route. These are shaping points.

Shaping points occur in another, automatic, fashion as well. Even when you only designate a two-point route, e.g. go from Point A to Point B, there will usually be multiple places, usually intersections, where a change in direction is required. When building the route, the personal navigation device (or Mapsource/Basecamp) will automatically include all of these points in the route.

To easily illustrate this, you can create a two-point route in Mapsource by clicking on a Point A and a Point B that will require a few turns to get from one to the other. Now export the route to a GPX file and take a look at it with Notepad or your favorite text editor. You will see that, in addition to the starting point and the ending point, there will be a bunch of other points <rtept> in the file to control all the turns.

I apologize if you already knew all that. Perhaps it will be helpful to others with inquiring minds. :)

...ken...
  • 1. When the road segment contains (an) address(es) or when you click on a POI, you will get a via point; when there is no address you will get a shaping point.
    You can (and should) avoid clicking on POIs if you don't intent to visit them by zooming in on the map sufficiently. POIs are located alongside roads, not on them.
    Avoiding addresses can be difficult. A trick is to place points on junctions; they never contain addresses.

    And finally, you can always turn via points into shaping points (and vice versa) afterwards.

    2. Can't help you with that...
  • Thank you JaVaWa! - mystery solved for via versus shaping point creation. Just tested it and you're right. Is that documented anywhere?

    Yes, have also worked out how to change via's to shaping points.
  • Is that documented anywhere?

    Not that I know of.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 9 years ago
    Right definition but wrong translation in dutc

    The concepts are quite simple. It's the method of distinguishing one from the other that is likely quite subtle in the code.

    POI - A formal Point Of Interest. An entry in the internal POI database with a name, location and usually other information associated with it.

    Waypoint - Any arbitrary point on the map that you have designated you want to keep track of. Usually stored in the "Favorites" or "My Locations" or whatever your personal navigation device calls its waypoint storage database. Your device will usually allow you to store such things as the location, any arbitrary name you want to supply and other information such as address, phone number, category(ies) and a symbol/icon to be used when displaying it.

    Via Point - A point used to create a multipoint route, e.g. Go from Point A to Point B via some other arbitrary point(s) that you will designate. If your personal navigation device supports multipoint routing, the via point can be a POI, an existing waypoint/favorite or any other form of location that is searchable on your device, e.g. address, intersection/junction, custom POI, etc. In most cases, to use something as a via point it must already exist in one of the devices' searchable databases.

    Shaping Point - In Mapsource, to "shape" a route to go exactly where you want there are a couple of methods. Just as with the personal navigation device, you can edit the route's properties to insert Via points (these are not shaping points although they do serve a similar purpose). You can also just use the route tool to click on spots on the map to force the shape of a route. When you do that, you are using a location that is not already in one of the searchable location databases. Mapsource does not force you to add these points to any of the formal databases. It simply inserts the actual coordinates invisibly into the route. These are shaping points.

    Shaping points occur in another, automatic, fashion as well. Even when you only designate a two-point route, e.g. go from Point A to Point B, there will usually be multiple places, usually intersections, where a change in direction is required. When building the route, the personal navigation device (or Mapsource/Basecamp) will automatically include all of these points in the route.

    To easily illustrate this, you can create a two-point route in Mapsource by clicking on a Point A and a Point B that will require a few turns to get from one to the other. Now export the route to a GPX file and take a look at it with Notepad or your favorite text editor. You will see that, in addition to the starting point and the ending point, there will be a bunch of other points <rtept> in the file to control all the turns.

    I apologize if you already knew all that. Perhaps it will be helpful to others with inquiring minds. :)

    ...ken...


    Hi

    I fully agree with this definition. However Garmin started with the more recent devices to mix (and mess up) naming themselves when they translate the menu interface in dutch. Before, a "waypoint"in english was translated as "waypoint" in dutch, and the " waypoint manager " as "waypoint beheer".... All correct. In the newest devices as the 64 and etrex 35, suddenly they translate waypoints asvia-punten en waypoint manager as viapunt beheer, where viapunten or viapoints is something completely different (as explaned above). And so there are a lot of other wrong translations, f.ex "trails" (active routing) are translated in dutch as "tracks". So you find 2 options "tracks" in your menu. How can we report this kind of wrong translations ?
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 9 years ago
    More on POIs, Waypoints, Via Points, and Shaping Points

    After using my Nuvi 65 for several years, I recently discovered shaping points, quite by accident. There is nothing in the Nuvi manual about them, and they are barely mentioned in BaseCamp Help. They are handled differently in BaseCamp and in the Nuvi, so it took me a while to figure out how to use them.

    I edited this post to correct the definitions.

    The following definitions are consistent with how BaseCamp creates routes. (You can export a route to a .gpx file and examine it in a text editor.) Most of this has been said in previous posts, which are very helpful.
    There is some confusion about the meaning of the term "via point". In BaseCamp it is used in three different ways:
    • As a route point (the route properties window)
    • As a route point excluding the Start and Finish points (BaseCamp Wiki)
    • As a route point that is announced (route GPX files)

    The following definitions adhere to the last usage, but you may prefer one of the others.


    POI (Point Of Interest) - A named point in the map or a point added by POI Loader.

    Waypoint - A location you save, that you can add to a route. It can be a POI or any navigable point on the map.
    • "Waypoint" is a term used in BaseCamp, but not in the Nuvi.
    • In the Nuvi, Saved locations are the same as waypoints.

    Route Point - A point you add to a route. It can be a POI, a waypoint, or a point you select from the map. You can set it to be either a via point or a shaping point, and can change it to the other type, except the Start and Finish points are always via points. Points added to a route are initially via points.

    Via Point - A route point that is announced as you navigate to it (a destination point). In the Nuvi, via points are referred to as "destinations".

    Shaping Point - A route point that is not announced as you navigate to it. It is a point that you only pass through, that shapes the route.

    POIs and waypoints are stored in databases and exist independently of any route. Route points exist only in routes.

    Via points vs shaping points
    • Via points are announced as you navigate, can have scheduling data, and you cannot skip them (unless you tell your device to do so).
    • Shaping points are not announced, do not have scheduling data, and you can skip them as you navigate.

    Shaping Points in BaseCamp

    Shaping points and via points are shown on the map according to the kind of route point:
    • POIs are shown by the POI symbol.
    • Waypoints are shown by whatever symbol you selected for the waypoint (the default is a flag).
    • Points added from the map are shown as black dots.

    You convert a route point from a via point to a shaping point, or from a shaping point to a via point, by selecting whether the point is announced or not.
    • In the route properties window, right-click on a point and select either "Don't alert on arrival (shaping point)" or "Alert on arrival". The Start and Finish points are always announced.
    • Points that are announced (Alert on arrival) are via points, and points that are not announced are shaping points.

    Shaping Points in the Nuvi

    Shaping points are shown on the map as white dots, and in the Trip Planner as orange circles. Via points are shown as orange flags.

    You create shaping points in Trip Planner, when you create or edit a route, by converting via points to shaping points. You can also convert shaping points to via points.
    • To convert a via point to a shaping point, select the via point's orange flag, and it changes to an orange circle. Any schedule data for the via point is lost.
    • To convert a shaping point to a via point, select the orange circle, and it changes to an orange flag.
    • You cannot convert the Start and Finish points.

    You can also create shaping points when you add locations to a route you are navigating.

    All Garmin models do not support shaping points. See this Garmin support article about shaping points.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 9 years ago
    Hello Clixis,

    Your first post is an excellent contribution to this thread. Discussion threads in forums like this one become excellent repositories of information. It's good to have new information added as we learn more and the products evolve.

    This is especially useful when you are dealing with products from a company like Garmin that operates corporately as if it has an advanced case of ADHD; spitting out products at a rapid pace but having no evidence of coordination among the various product development teams and never following through with needed documentation.

    ...ken...
  • In addition, it is also possible to create and shape a route in Basecamp and
    eliminate all shaping points before or while transferring it to the GPS-Device.

    This useful for Outdoor-GPS-Devices in combination with Route recalculation
    turned off.

    Canario
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 9 years ago
    Seeing roads on basecamp

    I am brand new to BaseCamp. I download the way points, no problem, however there are no roads shown, only the waypoint flags.
    I really would love some help

    The Noob!