POIs, Waypoints, Via-Points, Shaping Points 101

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The concepts are quite simple. It's the method of distinguishing one from the other that is likely quite subtle in the code.

POI - A formal Point Of Interest. An entry in the internal POI database with a name, location and usually other information associated with it.

Waypoint - Any arbitrary point on the map that you have designated you want to keep track of. Usually stored in the "Favorites" or "My Locations" or whatever your personal navigation device calls its waypoint storage database. Your device will usually allow you to store such things as the location, any arbitrary name you want to supply and other information such as address, phone number, category(ies) and a symbol/icon to be used when displaying it.

Via Point - A point used to create a multipoint route, e.g. Go from Point A to Point B via some other arbitrary point(s) that you will designate. If your personal navigation device supports multipoint routing, the via point can be a POI, an existing waypoint/favorite or any other form of location that is searchable on your device, e.g. address, intersection/junction, custom POI, etc. In most cases, to use something as a via point it must already exist in one of the devices' searchable databases.

Shaping Point - In Mapsource, to "shape" a route to go exactly where you want there are a couple of methods. Just as with the personal navigation device, you can edit the route's properties to insert Via points (these are not shaping points although they do serve a similar purpose). You can also just use the route tool to click on spots on the map to force the shape of a route. When you do that, you are using a location that is not already in one of the searchable location databases. Mapsource does not force you to add these points to any of the formal databases. It simply inserts the actual coordinates invisibly into the route. These are shaping points.

Shaping points occur in another, automatic, fashion as well. Even when you only designate a two-point route, e.g. go from Point A to Point B, there will usually be multiple places, usually intersections, where a change in direction is required. When building the route, the personal navigation device (or Mapsource/Basecamp) will automatically include all of these points in the route.

To easily illustrate this, you can create a two-point route in Mapsource by clicking on a Point A and a Point B that will require a few turns to get from one to the other. Now export the route to a GPX file and take a look at it with Notepad or your favorite text editor. You will see that, in addition to the starting point and the ending point, there will be a bunch of other points <rtept> in the file to control all the turns.

I apologize if you already knew all that. Perhaps it will be helpful to others with inquiring minds. :)

...ken...
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    The simulation seems to run at 11 mph. Any way to make it go really fast?
  • Should generally run at the speed limit for the road.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Should generally run at the speed limit for the road.


    For some reason it is running at 11 in a 40 zone. Even if I choose to eliminate all of the points in the route prior to a group of what were Via Points, the GPS wants to route me all the way there, which at 11 mph will take hours to reach, so realistically, I am not going to be able to run a simulation.

    Plus, I have a really hard time with the image verification. Is there any way to post without having to go through that?
  • Unfortunately not. It's Garmin's attempt to cut down on spam.

    Ah well I'd give up on the simulation idea unless you can just experiment with a much shorter route.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Unfortunately not. It's Garmin's attempt to cut down on spam.

    Ah well I'd give up on the simulation idea unless you can just experiment with a much shorter route.


    I gave up on the simulation. Just didn't have time. Thanks for your help! I can barely read the captiva things, so that prevents me from posting here more often.
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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago
    Ok, so I traded an old bow for a rino 530hcx despite it being a little outdated. I did only a basic explanation until now when I really need a gps. I then bought an Oregon 450 despite being a little outdated because it was a good price. And then I just sprung for a 62stc refurb because it had all the features I wanted for hunting.

    After finally downloading all relevant software (webupdater, basecamp, mapsource, etc) and getting the units upgraded, I'm honestly just blown away by the complexity of the different terminologies. I HAVE seen the phrase "shaping points" used but only ONCE when asking if I wanted to "remove shaping points" when transferring data to a device. How the heck would I know? After reading these conversations starting back in 2012, I'm guessing the answer is NO? And fortunately they don't add to waypoint count so, yay?

    Is there a page where one can answer a few simple questions, "What do you want to do?" etc and then it answers with the software you need and the page in the manual you're likely going to find more detailed info? I find I'm having to search around 20 different places.
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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago
    Is there a page where one can answer a few simple questions...


    Not really. Garmin manuals aren't very useful either. To add to the confusion Garmin has changed it's terminology over time and uses different ones based on the target audience. For example Outdoor models refer to "waypoints", "track log" etc while Automotive ones call these "favorites" and "trip log".

    There are 3rd party websites that can help however.

    Oregon x50 wiki

    GPSmap 62S/78S wiki
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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago
    Not really. Garmin manuals aren't very useful either. To add to the confusion Garmin has changed it's terminology over time and uses different ones based on the target audience. For example Outdoor models refer to "waypoints", "track log" etc while Automotive ones call these "favorites" and "trip log".

    There are 3rd party websites that can help however.

    Oregon x50 wiki

    GPSmap 62S/78S wiki


    Perfect, thank you, Stuart! When I took a business class, I read about 3 types of companies -- product-centric, customer-centric and process-centric. It seems Garmin is product-centric because they don't really seem too interested in their customers happiness. I don't really know their process but though its obviously not hurting that doesn't mean its the crux of their focus. But they certainly do churn out the products across a range of needs, don't they. So, because they have a big presence in this field and enough people who need the products, they don't have to be so concerned about customers being frustrated... instead, they seem to have a bit of faith that customers will find and help each other just like you helped me.

    Thanks.
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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago
    lol I can't say the wiki is any more *clear* but at least it gives me a greater feeling of hope that I might find the things I'm looking for... what's really messed up about all this is that I'm finding Garmin GPS have a whole bunch of "workarounds" or quirks that they just can't account for in the manuals.

    SO, WHILE TRACKS GO INTO MAKING ROUTES, IT NOW SEEMS THAT TRACKS THEMSELVES CAN TURN OUT TO BE THE BEST WAY TO GET SOME THINGS DONE DEPENDING ON WHICH MACHINE YOU HAVE, SO whereas I would make a route then delete the tracks, it looks as if I should just hang on to everything... "just in case"?
  • Erratic ALT key behaviour

    Hi All,

    New here as recent convert to Garmin. Dived into BC with both feet and have a few questions.

    1. When customising an existing route by dragging it while holding down the ALT key, sometimes it adds a standard via point and other times it adds a shaping point ("won't alert). I've tried all sorts of experiments to figure out why, but drawn a blank. Anyone shed any light please?

    2. Sometimes when dragging a route, the via/shaping point assumes the name of the route itself rather than using the name of the road. Again, I can't see a pattern for this. Any idea?

    Thanks in advance, Andy