POIs, Waypoints, Via-Points, Shaping Points 101

The concepts are quite simple. It's the method of distinguishing one from the other that is likely quite subtle in the code.

POI - A formal Point Of Interest. An entry in the internal POI database with a name, location and usually other information associated with it.

Waypoint - Any arbitrary point on the map that you have designated you want to keep track of. Usually stored in the "Favorites" or "My Locations" or whatever your personal navigation device calls its waypoint storage database. Your device will usually allow you to store such things as the location, any arbitrary name you want to supply and other information such as address, phone number, category(ies) and a symbol/icon to be used when displaying it.

Via Point - A point used to create a multipoint route, e.g. Go from Point A to Point B via some other arbitrary point(s) that you will designate. If your personal navigation device supports multipoint routing, the via point can be a POI, an existing waypoint/favorite or any other form of location that is searchable on your device, e.g. address, intersection/junction, custom POI, etc. In most cases, to use something as a via point it must already exist in one of the devices' searchable databases.

Shaping Point - In Mapsource, to "shape" a route to go exactly where you want there are a couple of methods. Just as with the personal navigation device, you can edit the route's properties to insert Via points (these are not shaping points although they do serve a similar purpose). You can also just use the route tool to click on spots on the map to force the shape of a route. When you do that, you are using a location that is not already in one of the searchable location databases. Mapsource does not force you to add these points to any of the formal databases. It simply inserts the actual coordinates invisibly into the route. These are shaping points.

Shaping points occur in another, automatic, fashion as well. Even when you only designate a two-point route, e.g. go from Point A to Point B, there will usually be multiple places, usually intersections, where a change in direction is required. When building the route, the personal navigation device (or Mapsource/Basecamp) will automatically include all of these points in the route.

To easily illustrate this, you can create a two-point route in Mapsource by clicking on a Point A and a Point B that will require a few turns to get from one to the other. Now export the route to a GPX file and take a look at it with Notepad or your favorite text editor. You will see that, in addition to the starting point and the ending point, there will be a bunch of other points <rtept> in the file to control all the turns.

I apologize if you already knew all that. Perhaps it will be helpful to others with inquiring minds. :)

...ken...
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Unfortunately that sort of issue isn't picked up on these forums, which I'm told are for fitness products only. I am frustrated that we don't have forums here where GPS problems/suggestions can be raised, but that is how it is.

    I can only suggest therefore that you make your views known at http://www8.garmin.com/contactUs/ideas/

    Incidentally on my recently acquired 2508, and I understand all the 2013 nuvi models, 'do not alert/shaping points' sent by Basecamp are indeed retained. Not only are they not announced but should you decide you need to skip one the nuvi just picks up the route later on, without insisting you visit the skipped shaping point.


    I have little faith in Garmin doing anything, I was hoping one of the other users here might be helpful.
  • None of us can increase the number of via points for you, or change your software. Wish we could :-)
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    None of us can increase the number of via points for you, or change your software. Wish we could :-)


    Understood. I was imagining that someone has found a way to successfully use BaseCamp to change a Via Point to a Shaping Point.
  • Well you've correctly done it by right clicking and changing the points in Basecamp, unforunately like the majority of Garmin GPS, your BMW Navigator ignores them :(
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Well you've correctly done it by right clicking and changing the points in Basecamp, unforunately like the majority of Garmin GPS, your BMW Navigator ignores them :(


    Well, this is really weird. I just did a test. I pushed the route to the Nav again, and it as a single route!

    Since my initial post about this, I have exited BaseCamp and re-entered it. Is it possible that the Via Points did not actually change to Shaping Points until the application closed?
  • Shouldn't be that way, what makes you think they are now actually shaping/do not alert points? If it has worked you should see something like this in trip planner, the orange circles are shaping points and do not alert:

  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    The only thing that makes me thing that is that the route is no longer broken up into 3 routes on the Nav V when I push it over there. Oddly, in the BaseCamp route detail dialog, the route Summary box still lists 78 Via Points! So, this makes no sense to me at all.

    When I look at the route on the Nav V, I have a very similar image, except the little circles are light blue, not orange.
  • Can you switch that GPS to simulation mode and run the route? That would confirm it.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Can you switch that GPS to simulation mode and run the route? That would confirm it.


    I should be able to. What would I be looking for?

    To me, the big indicator is that the Nav did not hit the 29 Via point limit when importing the route and therefore did not split this 78 Via Point route into multiple routes.
  • That's probably true but if you ran the simulation you would see if it announced the shaping points.