POIs, Waypoints, Via-Points, Shaping Points 101

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The concepts are quite simple. It's the method of distinguishing one from the other that is likely quite subtle in the code.

POI - A formal Point Of Interest. An entry in the internal POI database with a name, location and usually other information associated with it.

Waypoint - Any arbitrary point on the map that you have designated you want to keep track of. Usually stored in the "Favorites" or "My Locations" or whatever your personal navigation device calls its waypoint storage database. Your device will usually allow you to store such things as the location, any arbitrary name you want to supply and other information such as address, phone number, category(ies) and a symbol/icon to be used when displaying it.

Via Point - A point used to create a multipoint route, e.g. Go from Point A to Point B via some other arbitrary point(s) that you will designate. If your personal navigation device supports multipoint routing, the via point can be a POI, an existing waypoint/favorite or any other form of location that is searchable on your device, e.g. address, intersection/junction, custom POI, etc. In most cases, to use something as a via point it must already exist in one of the devices' searchable databases.

Shaping Point - In Mapsource, to "shape" a route to go exactly where you want there are a couple of methods. Just as with the personal navigation device, you can edit the route's properties to insert Via points (these are not shaping points although they do serve a similar purpose). You can also just use the route tool to click on spots on the map to force the shape of a route. When you do that, you are using a location that is not already in one of the searchable location databases. Mapsource does not force you to add these points to any of the formal databases. It simply inserts the actual coordinates invisibly into the route. These are shaping points.

Shaping points occur in another, automatic, fashion as well. Even when you only designate a two-point route, e.g. go from Point A to Point B, there will usually be multiple places, usually intersections, where a change in direction is required. When building the route, the personal navigation device (or Mapsource/Basecamp) will automatically include all of these points in the route.

To easily illustrate this, you can create a two-point route in Mapsource by clicking on a Point A and a Point B that will require a few turns to get from one to the other. Now export the route to a GPX file and take a look at it with Notepad or your favorite text editor. You will see that, in addition to the starting point and the ending point, there will be a bunch of other points <rtept> in the file to control all the turns.

I apologize if you already knew all that. Perhaps it will be helpful to others with inquiring minds. :)

...ken...
  • That's exactly the same as how it looks on a zumo 350, so it looks like at least one other model does support this feature..
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 12 years ago
    This is probably simple but it eludes me. When making a route go where you want it to go, using the pencil tool, how do you turn off the stupid balloon flyouts. They block the way I want to go and can't see to use the tool?? I hope that makes sense.
  • This is probably simple but it eludes me. When making a route go where you want it to go, using the pencil tool, how do you turn off the stupid balloon flyouts. They block the way I want to go and can't see to use the tool?? I hope that makes sense.


    I can't find the specific posts or thread right now, but it has been requested in the past to add an option to disable these balloons, and Garmin has not seen fit to implement it.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 12 years ago
    This is probably simple but it eludes me. When making a route go where you want it to go, using the pencil tool, how do you turn off the stupid balloon flyouts. They block the way I want to go and can't see to use the tool?? I hope that makes sense.


    This is not currently possible, but we are working on this for 4.3. I apologize for the trouble.
  • I don't think the Montana supports this. I probably won't be in the next firmware release. Please contact product support and request that feature. The more people ask, the higher the chances it might get implemented.

    Shaping points are still not working with the Montana.
    Could you please offer the contact data (e-mail) of the product support team?

    Thank you.

    Canario
  • It's in the link Falagar always puts at the bottom of his posts, conveniently posted in the post exactly one above yours, maybe you missed it :)
  • It's in the link Falagar always puts at the bottom of his posts, conveniently posted in the post exactly one above yours, maybe you missed it :)

    Thank you, I really missed it! ;)
    But there, I can't find a direct e-mail address. I think this should be the right one:
    [email][email protected][/email]

    Canario
  • If you click on e mail support you can then select where it says enter your device in para 2, then On the Trail then Montana
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    BaseCamp does NOT convert Via Points to Shaping Points

    Am using Win 7, BaseCamp 4.2.4, City Navigator North America NT 2014.2 with a BMW Navigator V (http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2013/10/bmw-motorrad-navigator-v-provides-access-to-real-time-motorcycle-information.html#.UotjuBBuElR)

    As a motorcyclist, I try to create routes that take me over remote or interesting roads, rather than the heavily traveled highways that auto-routing would create. This means I need more than just a few way/via/shaping points to keep me on the roads I have selected, even for just a one day ride.

    As is commonly done by motorcyclists, who found their way along some good roads and seek to be able to repeat that, I took a track and converted it to a route. The problem is that track points apparently come through that process as Via Points. That is a problem because both the Zumo 350 and the Nav V have a 29 Via Point limit per route. 29 is an absurdly low limit for units designed for motorcyclists (200 would be more reasonable), so what happens is that when you push the route to the GPS and then the GPS imports it into the Trip Planner, it turns a one day ride into 3 separate routes, which is inconvenient and ridiculous.

    To get around this arbitrary limitation, I tried to convert the Via Points (at least enough of them to get under 29) to Shaping Points by opening up the Route detail dialog where each item is listed, right-clicking and selecting "do not alert - via point". Although I believe the "do not alert" part may work, conversion to Shaping Point does not. In other words, the points are still Via Points that cause the GPS to split the route into multiple routes.

    How can I get around this? These arbitrary point limitations are incredibly frustrating.
  • Unfortunately that sort of issue isn't picked up on these forums, which I'm told are for fitness products only. I am frustrated that we don't have forums here where GPS problems/suggestions can be raised, but that is how it is.

    I can only suggest therefore that you make your views known at http://www8.garmin.com/contactUs/ideas/

    Incidentally on my recently acquired 2508, and I understand all the 2013 nuvi models, 'do not alert/shaping points' sent by Basecamp are indeed retained. Not only are they not announced but should you decide you need to skip one the nuvi just picks up the route later on, without insisting you visit the skipped shaping point.