Strange Waypoint Notations in Basecamp

@Durango

You may also find this tutorial useful, aimed mainly at Zumo users most of it applies to all Garmin devices and might help in your understanding of BaseCamp.

http://www.newenglandriders.org/Learn_BaseCamp_PC.pdf

Note though that BaseCamp has moved on since the tutorial was written and may not be completely up to date.

@Ken - I will do as you suggested later today (yard work calls while the sun shines). Thanks.

@SUSSAMB - And thanks to you for the link. As I mentioned in another thread, I read the tutorial twice. Unfortunately, the author provided so much detail that it was sometimes difficult for me to follow. I know he intended it to be a working document for his motorcycle buddies, and to that end it probably indeed served it's purpose. But for a newbie like me, there were just way too many lists, sub-lists, folders, photos and maps

@SUSSAMB - And thanks to you for the link. As I mentioned in another thread, I read the tutorial twice. Unfortunately, the author provided so much detail that it was sometimes difficult for me to follow. I know he intended it to be a working document for his motorcycle buddies, and to that end it probably indeed served it's purpose. But for a newbie like me, there were just way too many lists, sub-lists, folders, photos and maps

Apologies, forgot I'd already suggested it.

I’m not familiar with the Nuvi line and I also am not using the current version of BaseCamp, but I take a stab at your issue anyway and likely lead you into greater confusion. These issues are hard to sort out without seeing how the Route is saved on a particular device and how BaseCamp receives the sent data.

Garmin requires all objects of a give type have a unique name. So a Route and a Track can have the same name, but two Tracks cannot.

Things get a little tricky with Waypoints. Allow me to speculate a little here for clarity. Let’s assume that Waypoints are saved in what I will call a Location database. We know that Garmin makes use of at least three types of Locations – Waypoints, Via Points and Shaping Points. By the rule above, a Waypoint and Via Point or Shaping Point cannot share the same name. Also, Via Points and Shaping Points do not appear in My Collection.

In BaseCamp and on at least my device, routes can be created by adding Waypoints or by clicking on the map – the latter creates a Via or Shaping Point.

To get any kind of synchronization between Devices and BaseCamp, it has to start from BaseCamp to Device. So, my guess would be that when items were sent from the device to BaseCamp for the first time, Home was sent as a Waypoint as were all the other Waypoints, but for the Routes, for whatever reason, sent these Locations as Via or Shaping points. This would explain only one Waypoint Home and no HomeX Waypoints. It would also explain all routes using Home# and none using Home. This could be tested by exporting a single Home# route from BaseCamp.

To clean things up, you will have to go thru each Route. Open the Route Properties window. Select a Via Point that should be a Waypoint (Home#), press the “+” symbol on the side of the window between the up and down arrows. Select the appropriate Waypoint (Home) and click Insert Waypoint. Select the incorrect Via Point (Home#) in the Route Properties window and remove it with the keyboard delete key or right click on it and choose delete.

To straighten out any synchronization between device and BaseCamp, all saved data on the device will need to be deleted and deletion verified on the device and not through BaseCamp. Then send the data back to the device from BaseCamp (after making all of the above corrections). Since I am unfamiliar with the Nuvi line, I do not know if this will clear up future problems.

Sorry for the long post.

@durango,

This may confuse you even more but it might help illustrate what's happening under the covers.

- Create a new list under My Collection. Call it anything you want. Perhaps something creative like Routes. :-)
- Drag one of your routes that includes your home into the new list.
- Select the new list.
Ken, I did the above three steps.
You should see the route AND the points it contains. This will include the home point with a number.
I saw the route and points. It did include the home point with a number. But it was the same number (Home10) as in the route that I drug to my new list.
You should also now see the numbered home point show up in My Collection, along with any other points in the route that were not already listed there.
The only home point shown in My Collection was Home (no number). There were no new points....all were already listed in My Collection.
I'm not at my PC so I'm doing this off the top of my head. If this shows what I just described I'll explain why. If not I'll figure out where I got it wrong. Let me know if I got it right or not.
Well, I'm not sure who got it wrong, but it didn't turn out like you predicted.
...ken...

Ken, I am really having trouble posting this reply. I keep getting an error that my message is too short...needs to be at least 5 characters????

@Ken - I will do as you suggested later today (yard work calls while the sun shines). Thanks.

Yeah, fall work here. Including putting the cover on the air conditioner and bringing the snow blower out of the storage shed. But not before a lovely 2 1/2hr motorcycle ride around some of the local backroads! <GRIN>

...ken...

@ Ken - Going back to the new list you wanted me to create, which I did as described in earlier reply.

I have a simple route going from my home to my sister's house. Here is how the data presents itself in BaseCamp:
In My Collection: Home, Midway, Sis House
In Route Properties: Home10, Midway1, Sis House1

I actually have 18 Home points, i.e., Home, Home1, Home2,...,Home17. This is because I have 18 routes going to/from my home.
I have two points for my sister's house (Sis House, Sis House1). This is because I have a route going to her house and coming home from her house.
Similarly, I have two points for Midway (Midway, Midway1) because I go through that point going to and coming from her house.

As previously mentioned, this data did not change when I drug this route to my new list I created under My Collection.

I'm not sure I will ever understand how/why BaseCamp performs as it does. So if you (and others) want to give up on my education, I will understand......

I'm guessing from the fact the only thing outside the quote indicators is your question to me, that's what you did?

...ken...

Yes, that's what I did, which I figured out after I typed my question to you. That's not exactly how it works on another favorite forum, so I got confused. And as you know, I've had Garmin/BaseCamp forum problems from the beginning in that I can't get email notifications even though I subscribe to the threads.

Okay, I have to confess to being completely baffled. I can't create any numbered waypoints by creating routes.

I created half a dozen waypoints. Some I created by putting in street addresses and some I created by just zooming in and placing them on the map. Then I created a list under My Collection called Waypoints and dragged all of them from My Collection into the Waypoints list.

With that done, all the waypoints show up in My Collection, all of them in Waypoints, and none of them in Unlisted Data. So far, exactly what I expected.

Then I used them to create routes using the Route tool. I created multiple routes that either started at Home or ended at Home. I did like you and created some pairs that went from Home to a particular other waypoint and another route that went in the reverse direction. A couple of them went through another waypoint. And a couple just went from one non-Home waypoint to another and a reverse route.

I created some of the routes by typing the desired waypoint name into the From or To boxes in the dialog, and some routes I just dragged the waypoint name from the Waypoints folder into the appropriate box in the dialog.

After all of that I still have NO numbered waypoint names anywhere. Not in My Collection; not in Waypoints; not in Unlisted Data. And not in the routes themselves!! That's right; when I look at the route properties. Home is "Home" in every one of them (as are the other waypoint names I used multiple times.)

I created another list under My Collection named Routes and dragged a route into it. When I select that route I see the route name and the names of the points in the route. None of them are numbered.

After all that messing about I still have not a single numbered waypoint name.

...ken...