Too many points?

Former Member over 11 years ago

AppleMac 10.6.8 and a Montana 600, and I'm pulling my hair out with Basecamp. v4.2.4
I have a series of GPX tracks created for my forthcoming cycling trip UP North in England. Some legs are 90+ miles.
I wish to have turn-by-turn directions.

I import (any) one of them into Basecamp.
I select Edit/Create Route from Track.
The window opens up and the progress bar goes across.
The route is created fine, and the window shows me the turn-by-turn directions.
I transfer the route to my Montana 600.
I quit Basecamp and safely disconnect my Montana.

All ok so far ................

I switch on my Montana and it boots up.
I go to Route Planner and select the route.
I select View Map and the route is displayed, but there are HUNDREDS of waypoints.
My Montana tells me that, "Only 50 points can be used for follow road navigation."

What am I doing wrong?
How can I get turn-by-turn directions from my GPX files?

Regards,
Mick.

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

Found it!
I had to double-click the GPX track in the list, then the window opens where I clicked on the gear wheel bottom left.

By filtering down to 50 points, BC then calculates ok.

Thanks wonderfully!

Me and Monty are both happy bunnies now!

Cheers all,
Mick.

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

Me and Monty are both happy bunnies now!

Monty Python?
Full Monty?

:D

0 SUSSAMB over 11 years ago

I believe BaseCamp allows points in routes to be edited so they're "shaping points". Doing that, tedious as it is, should get one under the 50/250 limit.

A nice feature request for BaseCamp would be to have the track to route conversion use "shaping points" for all except the start and end points.

While that's true not all GPS support shaping points and if not they're converted to waypoints, at least they are on my 1490.

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

While that's true not all GPS support shaping points and if not they're converted to waypoints, at least they are on my 1490.

MapSource calls all non-waypoint points "via's" and I know my 1490T leaves them as "via's" (no conversion to waypoints). Now BaseCamp's "shaping points" are slightly different (under the hood) from what I've read so they may not be supported by all models as you say.

Now MapSource "via's" aren't exactly the same as the definition given in

POIs, Waypoints, Via-Points, Shaping Points 101

In my case I put via's on roads and/or road junctions to force a route a particular path. Works great for me and gets around the 50/250 waypoint limit :) I've been doing that for 10+ years.

0 SUSSAMB over 11 years ago

Crikey ... Must be a really long route if you've been doing it for 10 years :)

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

:p

BTW I just imported some long routes from MapSource into BaseCamp 4.2.5. Now BaseCamp also allow routes to contain "via's" (what BaseCamp labels the column in Route properties) but they have have a "Alert on Arrival"/"Don't Alert on Arrival (Shaping point)" selection. I wonder if the former works the same as a MapSource "via".

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

Further to my comments ...............

BikeHikeUK is really simple to use. It knocks spots off Basecamp for ease of use and route creation. Really simple and quick.

In the past, I had a Garmin 305, then a 705, and now a Montana .......... which we call Monty, as you've all guessed!
The 305 had no mapping, but the 705 did. I always found it very easy to create a TCX route on BikeHike and push it into the 305 to follow the "crumb trail" or into the 705 to follow the pink line. Navigation was hit and miss with GPX and TCX was better in my experience.

Basecamp is so much more modernised nowadays. It came out only on PC I think, but as I've never used a PC, it left me behind and now, I'm trying to come up to date. The route creation is slow and "wooden" in Basecamp, but in BikeHike it's slick and easy.

Now that I can see an easy way of getting a TCX or GPX track from BikeHike into Basecamp and across to Monty, it seems that route creation in Basecamp itself is pointless and a waste of time and energy.

Thanks for listening to me,
Regards,
Mick.

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

Basecamp is so much more modernised nowadays. It came out only on PC I think...

BaseCamp was originally intended for outdoor enthusiasts (hikers, campers etc).

Introducing BaseCamp; Garmin’s New Tool For Planning and Reviewing All of Your Outdoor Adventures

Over time it replaced MapSource and became much more generalized.

0 SUSSAMB over 11 years ago

I too use bikehike and while its a good tool for some it's nowhere near as capable as Basecamp. But if it does what you need then great.

0 Former Member over 11 years ago

I wasn't meaning it was capable ......... or even versatile ............ or even all-encompassing.
If I want a route to cycle A to B and want to pick out the roads and places i want to follow, BikeHike is excellent.
It's all done on the track-pad and the clicky pad on my MacBook. No need for cursors or menu items or swapping tools and fingers.

Therefore, create the route on BikeHike and save it as a GPX track, transfer it to Basecamp, filter it to 50 points, create a route from the track and export it to your Montana.

Simple.
Thank you! :D

Regards to all.
Mick