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Garmin 3597 LMTHD and BaseCamp

PSEABOLT
over 11 years ago
I have been comparing the 3597 to my 1490LMT. Limited test but the GPS as a stand along GPS is much improved. The unit design is Apple all the way but clearly the Nuvi firmware group don't talk to any other group. Touch screen is much more responsive. Split screen for junction views is great. Voice directions are improved. Searching google on your iPhone and blue toothing the info is really helpful. 3D dem maps are included for use with CN maps. Lots of really cool stuff on the unit.

When it comes to BaseCamp it seems clear to me the Nuvi firmware group does not intend to support BaseCamp. Example: Legacy file system.

Both my Dakotas allow me to delete geo data (waypoints, tracks, and routes) from BC. To delete geo data on the 3597, I have to go to Trips and delete routes, go to save data to delete waypoints, go to settings, device, and clear travel history. I have not upload a track from base camp to see where it would show up. In addition I have to mount the GPS volume on the desktop go to the GPX folder and delete all files I fine there plus empty the trash.

I am sure the nuvi firmware group is saying Nuvi users don't use BC. Any why should the spend hours creating a customized route if they can't load it to the GPS without getting a different route. I can and will continue to use BC with my Nuvi, I can make it work pretty well, but when the casual user starts seeing routes in BC on the device they can't see on the device, they probable blame BC.

The verdict is still our on Recalculation of routes but it is not look good. I just uploaded 9 routes and BC noted the routes were calculated from CN 2013.4 but the 3597 has 2014.1 and BC ask if I wanted to recalculate. I said no and it takes forever but I have 9 Routes in Trips and they match the uploaded routes perfectly. All routes I have tested start for my home and I am at a different location now. Different from the 1490, the 3597 does not ask me where to start from, it starts from my current location. When I hit go the route gets recalculated and I want to be home to be totally sure but I think the route will change depending on the 3597 route settings. I will keep trying but it done look like the nuvi group is talking to the zoom/Montana group.
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Thanks for the info. I'll stick with my 1490T :)
  • 0 over 11 years ago
    I'm trying hard to justify my expenditure. One very nice feature, when I sent the routes to the 3597, BC sent the waypoints with the list name associated with the waypoints to the 3597. For example, some of the routes designation was a campground int the CampGrounds list. All waypoints associated with the routes are in the saved section, going to the saved button (favorites on 1490) if see the list name first, tapping CampGrounds, shows me the waypoints. However, if I had known I could not delete geo data nor stop route recalculation, I would, like you, wait to update.
  • 0 over 11 years ago
    I'm sure you'll make your 3597 work for you. It's just so infuriating that Garmin produce what I assume they believe are 'improved models' that are often anything but :mad:
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    I've become quite cynical about updates of all kinds whether they be for GPS, software, cars or whatever. In many cases, I find, the existing model/version works perfectly well for me. In some cases the newer is actually inferior to what I have. In short it pays (or rather saves $$$) to do your research beforehand and learn from others that have bled from being on the "cutting edge".
  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Both my Dakotas allow me to delete geo data (waypoints, tracks, and routes) from BC. To delete geo data on the 3597, I have to go to Trips and delete routes, go to save data to delete waypoints, go to settings, device, and clear travel history.


    This certainly is old news and has been discussed extensively in the past. The first Garmin device series to support live editing of data in basecamp was the Oregon x50. The older Oregon x00 and Colorado x00 devices can't do it and even older GPSMap and eTrex models also don't permit it. None of the Nuvi series have ever had this capability and Garmin has never shown any interest in allowing it.

    -Boyd
  • 0 over 11 years ago
    I owe nuvi firmware group an apology reference recalculating routes. I called support earlier today and was told I would have to match preferences and add waypoints to make GPS match the BC routes. It appears to me that the Montana feature of not recalculating BC routes has been added to the 3597.

    I uploaded 9 routes and BC noted the routes were calculated from CN 2013.4 but the 3597 has 2014.1 and BC ask if I wanted to recalculate. I said no and it takes forever but I have 9 Routes in Trips and they match the uploaded routes perfectly. All 9 routes start for my home and when I arrived home I selected a route and taped GO with the GPS setting on Shortest (BC imported routes were fastest). I just I would see calculating but to my surprise, the route appeared ready to navigate. time millage is exactly the same. It appears to me that BC routes are transferring unchanged to the 3597.

    Yes I know the Nuvi as never allowed BC to delete geo data, but I was sure the Nuvi 2013 line would fix the problem, is should be an easy fix. I was not sure about NOT recalculating routes. Looks like I was wrong on both.
  • 0 over 11 years ago
    More info on the Nuvi 3597 NOT recalculating routes from BC. The 3597 only supports the Driving activity. When you move a route from BC to the 3597, the route is placed the Trips app and the routing preferences are copied from BC to Trips app on the 3597. I was think if I changed Activities on the route in BC to anything except Driving, I would break the NONE recalculation of the route. First try, I got the previous uploaded driving shortest route. I am deleting the route from 3597 and changing the same route to RV in BC. I was thinking the none recalculation only worked with driving activity but remember the screwed up Garmin file management on the nuvi. I mounted the 3597, opened the GPX folder, deleted the files, and emptied the trash. I have been doing this from the beginning because otherwise the routes show in BC even after they have been deleted on the 3597. I copied the RV route and this time the route matched perfectly. It appears to me the 3597 none recalculation of routes works as good as the Montana. I think it may have a different interface. When you transfer a route, you find your route as a single day trip, in the Trip app on the 3597. I transferred 9 routes (500 miles or less) and the 3597 took almost to minutes to process when I went to Trip app to view the routes. Once the routes appear in Trips, they never get recalculated unless you change something on the route, and I have not tried recalculating the route in Trips.

    I have nothing but praise for the route transfer form BC to the 3597 but the file management still sucks as bad as ever.
  • 0 over 11 years ago
    I gave the Nuvi 3597 a road test today. I created a shortest route and did a drag to add a shaping point to the route. I dragged the route to the 3597 and the Nuvi proceed the route placing it in the Trip Planner App. I tapped the route and navigation started instantly with NO Calculating Route. The route matched the BaseCamp route exactly. The Nuvi was set to fastest route and the test route was a shortest. When you view the route in Trip Planner on the Nuvi, the Nuvi list the route as shortest when you check the info on the route. Glad I waited for the 2013 Nuvi line. I almost bought a Montana but by dirt bikes and touring bikes have been replaced with a bicycle to try and stay in better shape in my old age. I don't need a water proof GPS in the Truck and I really like the 5 inch screen with split screen for junction view and map. You still get lane assist in the upper right corner.

    Surly the 2014 nuvi line will fix the screwed up file system on the Nuvi's and let BC delete from the GPS. Even better would be a firmware update.