BaseCamp 3.3.0.1 beta posted

@Paxter1:

Thanks for that info. I guess the old routes I have in my folders must have been created prior to that method?

Any luck chasing down the shaping points issues?

Oh, and before I forget, I really like the improvements in the beta, so be sure to take my gripes as constructive criticism.

-dan

When using the Hide Map Features option and hiding icons, the food and shopping icons don't disappear when checked off. All the other features disappear when checked off.

Other than that, so far, I really like this version of BaseCamp.

This may be because of your specific map product. Hiding food and shopping points works in City Navigator NA 2011.2, and it would be entirely possible to make a custom map point that looks like our food or shopping points without actually being either. What map product are you having these problems with?

Edit: Clarified the version of City Nav I tested in originally. We've confirmed that this doesn't work in 2012.3, which may explain your issues.

More data and speculation

Here's some verbiage I posted over in the zumo forums that may help with diagnosis:

A possible clue to the "mystery" of why one route works and another does not is that shaping points have always been unreliable in zumos.

It's hard to pin this down because not all shaping points cause problems, and it is also possible for a route without them to suffer file corruption, but over a number of years and hundreds of pre-planned routes I'd say that shaping points are likely suspects in 90% of zumo misbehavior that I've observed.

All it takes to spoil a route is one shaping point from a previous map version that has not been re-indexed to the current version, for example. And this was true prior to the new BC beta.

So far my tests with the beta have shown that routes with shaping points are -- not surprisingly -- still a problem. Converting those very same routes to 100% "real" waypoints fixes most of those problems every time. (I've seen a remaining issue where the zumo "loses" the final destination waypoint and refuses to display its checkered flag, but oddly, the route stripe still extends to that location -- but I digress.)

I'm not saying this is how it oughta be, just saying that the fix is going to have to involve how both the software and hardware treat shaping points.

A zumoforum member posted a test route which contains two shaping points -- both of which appear to be unnecessary BTW, because the next "real" one should force the route he wants (though I haven't tested or verified this). It also contains one unannounced waypoint, which I'm beginning to suspect gets treated as a shaping point by our zumos, with all the problems that implies. But the route works, and I think that's because it does not have any "fatal" shaping points and therefore pretty much conforms to what a zumo would have calculated for this trip anyway. My theory is that it's when you really need to "force" a different route that things get ugly.

-dan

Looks to me like a simple solution would be a right click contextual menu that allows you to convert shaping points to waypoints. This would help people the own Nuvi models that do not allow routes to be uploaded. The user could converts the shaping points to waypoints, upload the waypoints creating the route and insert the additional waypoints as via.

I still of the opinion, every navigational gps sold should accept a route from BaseCamp and not recalculate the route. It may not be possible with a firmware update but it is sure to heck possible with new GPS.

I was adding some phone numbers to my Waypoint Contact info (thanks for adding these attributes) and noticed that once I've added a phone number, if I try to edit the number, the change doesn't stick.

Cheers,

I usually need lots of help with most things I do in life so I was pleased when I noticed that the Beta has two Help picks on the Menu Bar. ;)





Cheers,

I really like the new "View Detailed Data List". I'd also like to see two capabilities added to this data:

• Copy as Text - select Row(s) and Copy as text to clipboard.
  
• Show Contact info - add the ability to configure (show/no-show) data columns to included Contact info.
  

Cheers,

Do you have the two Helps? These show up sometimes. Not all of the time.

Cheers,

I just opened BaseCamp 3 times and closed. Just the single "Help" all 3 times. Methinks you may have a ghost in the machine Dan. ;)

Despite my first name, I too am more nearly Help-less -- only one in the menu bar.:rolleyes:

(i3 iMac running 10.7.2.)

-dan