Topo France

Thanks for the feedback. I've forwarded your issue to the cartography group that is in charge of the European topo maps.

Thanks for the feedback. I've forwarded your issue to the cartography group that is in charge of the European topo maps.

Hopefully that might get some sort of action. I logged this as a problem on the 21st April with product support and I've not received any response or acknowledgment from them.

I've no way of telling if they're simply not interested, didn't get the email or have 100's of programmers and cartographers working around the clock to fix this.

I presume it's the first sadly. I don't have the remotest expectation that I'll have a working Topo France until another version is released and more money is extracted from me.

You get some odd routing on the SwissTopo maps but it's not quite this odd, I think the map is a bit broke :-) I've tried a few other routes and similar things happen all over France, it's the same in the main alpine chain or over in the Jura.

I had this issue on several places all around the map of France... Tracks/paths seems "broken", so autorouting become completely erratic !

Where should we report these issues ?

Thx

I had this issue on several places all around the map of France... Tracks/paths seems "broken", so autorouting become completely erratic !

Where should we report these issues ?

Thx

Yes, I picked some places around France, places I'd been to, am going to and some random locations and this is pretty widespread. It's not just a local problem with a couple of paths. It's hard to see this could be unknown to the people producing the map, I'd found the problem within a couple of minutes of installing the maps. It's not a quirk of Basecamp, it's exactly the same on the Oregon itself so it's pretty clear it's the map data.

The Garmin website says :

Preparing for that great outdoor adventure? Let TOPO France be your ultimate guide to navigating paths, official trails, shelters, lakes, mountains and more in France. With official IGN (France) data in 1:25,000 scale

That's just not an accurate description of the product. It just doesn't navigate at all. I was looking at a route in the Vanoise and it's terrible, it's so bad that it would be extremely dangerous. It couldn't even navigate to refuge de Vanoise from less than a 100m away, the route it gave was 20km long.

I'd be interested to know how this compares to version one of the product.

As for reporting it, I reported it a week or more back and I've got no response at all. I've reported it again today but I don't really expect a fix, I don't imagine for a moment that they'll repair the map data and send an updated copy. It seems that no matter how bad these maps are, and how misleading the descriptions, that once you've parted with your money you're stuck with them. So I feel that was a few hundred francs totally wasted :(

I'd like to hear what Garmin have to say about that and I'm happy to listen but I will certainly be telling people in my professional community, mountain guides and leaders, that this product is below a usable standard.

Simply forget. It is impossible to do. Topo France works actually a lot better than other maps like Topo Austria v2 which if you take the Topo France v2 Autorouting as acceptable, would have to pass as not usable...

The data you try to route on, is from the old rastermaps days. Hence it was not made for autorouting. If they "bridge" all holes, then you will fall of actual bridges or cliffs.

If you want autorouting on trails and ways, you can use openstreetmap based maps - there the data is entered with autorouting in mind....

Simply forget. It is impossible to do. Topo France works actually a lot better than other maps like Topo Austria v2 which if you take the Topo France v2 Autorouting as acceptable, would have to pass as not usable...

That's not true, I have Topo Suisse and it works just fine.

If you want autorouting on trails and ways, you can use openstreetmap based maps - there the data is entered with autorouting in mind....

That's just being dogmatic, those maps don't have the routing on them to actually do that in real life. For example, use the points in the maps I used above and try and get openstreetmap to produce the correct route. It can't and what it does produce is much, much worse than the Topo France.

That's not true, I have Topo Suisse and it works just fine.



That's just being dogmatic, those maps don't have the routing on them to actually do that in real life. For example, use the points in the maps I used above and try and get openstreetmap to produce the correct route. It can't and what it does produce is much, much worse than the Topo France.

Well no problem. In my Openmtbmap.org based on OSM it finds the way without any problem :D

The problem with Openstreetmap is, that often not much data is already present. But at least the data in OSM is of good quality, something which is not true for vector maps based on raster maps which date back decades. Hence Routing with OSM based maps works much much better than with maps based on commercial data (Switzerland is the big exception, due to enourmos resources spent on the cartography by the government - but also hefty prices for maps)

There is only the problem that someone decided to give both the way and the ref in OSM the value GR20.

Thanks for the feedback. I've forwarded your issue to the cartography group that is in charge of the European topo maps.

good, because I've logged it four times as a problem with Garmin support and they've not responded in any way at all. It's generally considered good form to at least pretend to deal with customer problems even when you've zero intention of doing anything.

I just finished my vacation in Corsica where i tryed the
TOPO France new version.

I can say it is almost useless for that money!
All roundabout on streets was suggested to drive in and turn LEFT!!!

Important pathways missing!
Old and very limited amount of POI's compared to City Navigator NT Europe 2011.

Very old raster map....
:(

@SNOWSLIDER

Both BaseCamp and the Oregon GPSr have various settings for how Auto Routing should be performed. Have to tried any of those various settings to see if they make a difference.