Don't like the iTune like interface

Come on Denny, you have admitted you are a Unix user. Most Mac users have never view the contents of a container.

I've used HP unix, Dec tru64 Unix, Solaris, and a couple of flavors of Linux.
They all have GUI interfaces. It's the little details that make Mac OSX so much more user friendly.

The folders in BaseCamp/RoadTrip do not contain objects.

They contain pointers. The objects are contained inside the file AllData.gdb. At least give those pointers some kind of visual indicator that they are merely pointers that reference an original.

Every GUI, even Windows has this. It's a basic indicator to the user.

Original object as viewed in MyCollection


Pointer as viewed in side of the folders


My Graphic skills are a little crude but this should Illustrate the Idea.

It is these basic indicators to the user that have been ignored in the BaseCamp/RoadTrip interface. All conventional GUI's provide that kind of indicators to the user.


As I understand you a folder is a container. Every user opens folders to get to their word processing documents, pictures, spreadsheets, etc.
So I have to disagree with you again.

It appears to me the duplication of a folder is working as it should. Folders are an organizational tool for objects (waypoints, tracks, & routes) contained in your Container file (Library). When you duplicate a folder it is like creating a new folder and dragging objects to the folder. Just think for a minute what a mess you would have if you duplicated a folder and the objects had the same name but were really different objects. Does not duplicating an object give you the results you want?

Duplicate a Folder in the Finder, in Windows explorer or any Unix Gui.
You get a new folder, with the word Copy or duplicate appended to it's name. Inside that folder there will be unique copies of the same objects that were contained in the original folder, and the names of those objects will be unchanged. And I can edit the objects inside the duplicate without changing any of the originals. The duplicate folder command should work like that.

The fact that all of the objects contained in Basecamp/RoadTrip folders are confined to one My collection (AllData.gdb) dictates that all objects must have unique names.

So in one sense it does work in BaseCamp/RoadTrip. But the folder does not contain any objects it only contains pointers to the original objects that are all confined to MyCollection (AllData.gdb). So the contents of the copy of the folder cannot be edited without changing the original object.

My fears when I heard Garmin would support the Mac was a port of MapSource. In my opinion, MapSource is a legacy application designed for small memory devises, very functional with hundred of tools but a add on design that is now outdated. The average user that only takes to or three trips a year will forget how to use MapSource between trips if the ever learn.

I agree it is outdated, but is has critical functionality for productive use that needs to be addressed in the Mac applications.

As the small memory GPS leave the market you might see BaseCamp move to GPX file storage and the same storage in the GPS. However multiple files take up much more space and as a general rule are slower to manipulate.

Where do you get all of your speculative ideas?

Granted neither of you guys are the average user but I think by far most people want all their geo-data in one file. Like iTunes, iPhoto, or Aperture 3.

I think people who have no idea or don't know any better may like that option but most of us who actually "use" computers would rather not. I have never liked the way Apple has structured their applications and I certainly don't think that Garmin should be trying to emulate them.