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Creating TRIP and wrecking it in ZUMO

Francesc_Diaz
over 4 years ago

Hi there

I planned a 3 day trip using the BC Trip Planner. I have a ZUMO 396 with full Europe Maps. 

I successfully created the Hubs and navigation points.

As there were sections of the Trip that required different routing settings ( Fast sections, Off Road sections, Curvy Sections, Direct Routing... ) I created some new Routing profiles in BC.

BC used this perfectly and the Trip routes were created as desired. Kudos BC.

Now the nightmare. When uploading the route to the ZUMO, I took care of enabling the very same Map I used to build the Trip.

When I started the trip and took a detour to visit something ( I did not put it in the TRIP to simplify the construction ) then Recalculating the route DESTROYED the whole Trip. As the profiles I used in BC do not exist in ZUMO, the single setting "Fastest Route" was applied and wrecked the trip.

As I was expecting Garmin glitches, I took precaution of also converting the Routes into Tracks as Backup, so I was able to continue the trip but without Routing, I had to continuously look at the ZUMO.

How you allow the BC to break the trip into sections with custom Routing settings, and the GPSr do not have the same support? when Recalculating, all the work done previously in BC is gone.

Another one, created a Trip in ZUMO by adding locations I was interested to pass; took a while but I was able. Then again, took an small detour, Garmin asked recalculation and again, the WHOLE route was recreated ignoring the locations I set.

Really frustrating. I think I will have to dismiss the routing features of the ZUMO and just plan in BC and convert the Routes to tracks which are safer. But for that use, a Garmin device is overkill, do not need all the "fancy" stuff it has....

Please improve routing info exchange between BC and GPSr.

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    The issue is probably more to do with the way you're doing it.  First I suggest you read the tutorial on BC here that is written specifically for Zumo devices

    https://www.newenglandriders.org/learn-basecamp/

    You might also benefit from this forum https://www.zumouserforums.co.uk/ aimed specifically at Zumo devices

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to SUSSAMB

    thanks for replying!

    I think the BC knowledge I have is fine; the route created using the Trip Planner was OK. The problem came when importing and using the route in ZUMO.
    The nice routing features you have in BC ( like custom routing profiles, different routing settings for each trip section ) are not supported in ZUMO. Also ZUMO I think recalculates the whole trip route, not to the "nearest" routing point you defined; simply recreated the trip route to the final destination, ignoring the "Via Points", which is wrong.

    All this information should be embedded within the Route itself and used by the ZUMO unit

    Anyway, I'll check your links because perhaps I'm missing a setting or something somewhere.

    Actually I've just read Garmin advices to use the "Off Road" routing setting in the GPSs when using Custom routes..... 

    Thanks  

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to Francesc_Diaz

    OK, well there are solutions as folks use BC with the Zumos without any real issues so hopefully the tutorial and/or help you can get on the Zumo forum will assist you.  One thing that you could be doing wrong is that if you break the route as you described whether you are taken back to it or whether a completely new route is calculated depends on whether your points on the route are shaping points or via points, and whether any of them have still to be visited.  One user on the Zumo forum was having issues with that until the finer points were explained to him.  

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Hi there, I think a lot of the problems you have experienced could be resolved by not allowing your Zumo to automatically recalculate should you go slightly off route - you can switch this auto recalculate off in your settings.  That way you would still see your coloured route on your Zumo screen and you could zoom out to find your way back to your planned route whereupon your Zumo would just revert back to giving you instructions again (Note that if you have passed a Waypoint then the Zumo would try to direct you back to that point before proceeding further on the route)

    Also you should be able to replicate the specific settings you have made in Basecamp on your Zumo i.e., avoidances etc., 

    Hopefully the above will help resolve the issues you are having.

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    With the caution that the 396 may behave differently, my advice, based on successful ROUTE (not TRIP) planning with my zumo 660 is: don't use Trip Planner. Create a route - or better yet, several shorter routes based on your description of the trip you planned - and export them from BC. Then import them to your zumo and ride them. As recommended above, turn off recalc.

    I've used this method for years to do 3000-mile trips with only minor routing glitches.

  • 0 over 4 years ago

    Thanks guys for all these advice.

     I like the Trip Planner tool as it allows you to plan your trip in days, stop duration, routing type within a leg, calculates the time you get to the route points.... Actually the tool works super, once you understand how it works.

    Problem is the routing management in the GPSr ( ZUMO in my case ). You , the user, need to be "careful" about what you do ( turn off recalculate , use the same map,... ) I think all this nuances should be handled by the device itself with the information of the Route.

    Trip Planner is a nice tool ( some glitches yet... ), I normally follow Tracks not routes , because i mainly do Off Road moto, but I'm starting to ride more on-road and here routing and instructions on my intercom are really a must.

    I'll try your suggestions and see if that improves my experience.

    Thanks!

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to Francesc_Diaz

    BC has to "talk" to many different models, so it has never been very good at translating preferences ("curvy" "fastest" etc.) to the GPS. Instead, I do all that myself as I plan the route, breaking it up into days usually. I end up with most of the features of Trip Planner but none of the headaches.

  • 0 over 4 years ago in reply to Francesc_Diaz

    Much of the advice you've received so far is sound. I've had a Zumo for years and use BC with a lot of success for motorcycling. I also use BC with two other GPSr.

    In your example, after Zumo recalculated to your dislike, you could of simply cancelled your route. Following that started your trip again when prompted selected the next waypoint on your trip and you would of been back to where you wanted. There is value in going through not only the tutorials, forums but also in doing some of your own testing before embarking on a long trip.

    Also, my recommendation would be to set your Zumo to prompt you before recalculating. There will be times when you'll need for the Zumo to get you out of road construction or what have you and you'll be thankful that it recalculated a new route. Also doesn't hurt to have BC print out some tank maps as a backup - but you'll learn that in the forums and such.