Importing FIT without GPS track

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Last weekend I did a training session on the bike on a race track. Obviously the Virb Elite GPS resulted in very fluctuating speed data due to the poor GPS reception indoor, so that data is not really useful for the overlays I want to use in the resulting video.

However, I also had my Edge 500 on the bike that was paired with my speed/cadence sensor. (don't ask me why I didn't pair the Virb with it too...). Now, due to my second bad choice, I turned off the GPS in my Edge 500 (as I was indoor and wouldn't use it anyway, just wanted the sensor data) so the resulting FIT files do not contain any position data, only the speed/cadence/temp/distance/time data.

Now, I tried to import the .fit from my Edge to create the overlays. But. Virb Edit complain that the file do not include valid data and mention something about missing timestamps. Now, I do understand that Virb Edit need timestamps to be able to match the data against the video. But the .fit from my Edge do indeed contain valid timestamps. If I dump the .fit data this is what the records look like:

Local message type: 5 (message name: record, message number: 20)
timestamp (253-1-UINT32): 2014-02-15T13:59:47 (761403587)
distance (5-1-UINT32): 10134.51m (1013451)
altitude (2-1-UINT16): 163.6m (3318)
speed (6-1-UINT16): 29.520km/h (8200)
heart_rate (3-1-UINT8): 156bpm (156)
cadence (4-1-UINT8): 77rpm (77)
temperature (13-1-SINT8): 18deg.C (18)

So, in my mind this should be perfectly useful to add sensor data overlays to my movies. In this case I do not need any GPS track, but still want to know my speed and pulse. My guess is that Virb Edit actually require position data as well? But as long as there is a valid timestamp I can't see why that would be required when there are other values in there that can be used.

(of course I could have left the GPS in my Edge enabled and I would be all set. Unfortunately it is a bit difficult to do after the fact ;)

I have also tried to convert the fit to valid GPX Virb Edit can import. But all converters I have found produce an "empty" gpx as there's no position data available. Also if I try to fake position data, the GPX will not be very useful as that format do not contain speed values, it calculates the speed from the position data, so I'd have to recreate the correct lat/lon relative values for each datapoint, which is a bit too much work for this little project ;)

Any chance we'll be able to use such a file, with sensor data and valid timestamps but no GPS track, for the overlays in the future?

/Thomas
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    You bring up a very good point. Would you mind sharing the FIT file you tried to use?

    I'll create a case, this is something we should be able to make work, I am just not sure when.

    Thanks for your feedback.
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Thanks for the quick reply! You'll find the FIT file at https://www.dropbox.com/s/s161ei4d7pmowjw/2014-02-15-16-20-08.fit

    Looking forward to be able to use this, whenever it happens :-)

    /Thomas
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    OMG I just got myself some rollers for indoor training and I did the exact same thing and was just about to ask the very same question.

    Would also love to hear about this and if you need more FIt data I can attach it somewhere if needed

    Thanks
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Thanks for the quick reply! You'll find the FIT file at https://www.dropbox.com/s/s161ei4d7pmowjw/2014-02-15-16-20-08.fit

    Looking forward to be able to use this, whenever it happens :-)

    /Thomas



    Hello Thomas,

    I have no idea if this will work. :rolleyes:
    I used the Fit File Repair Tool to put a fake coord in your file.
    It is the same coord throughout so the gps distance is zero.
    But the all the rest of the sensor data, time, distance, speed, HR, etc is the same.

    If it will load into Virb edit it is an easy fix.

    If it works then post a coord for your area and I will change it.
    Then your spot will show on the map where you actually are instead of my part of the world.
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    VIRB Edit will show Cadence and Heartrate from the file you attached, so it's certainly better than nothing. Speed is 0.

    Thanks for finding this work-around and sharing it.
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Thanks Don! As Falagar mention it is certainly better than nothing with cadence and heartrate, even though I'd really want the speed for these clips as well. Thanks for figuring this out. I might just use the repair tool myself to update the other fit files from this day and create an interim movie with what I can get for now, and update it later when/if Virb Edit can take the file without the GPS track and still present all the sensor values properly.

    /Thomas
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    We're doing something similar, I'm using a VIRB to record power, speed and cadence data from powertaps on an indoor velodrome. Power works fine (when the VIRB doesn't freeze ...) but speed is bogus, so I tried turning off GPS in the VIRB and then, as noted above, VIRB edit refuses to load the FIT file.

    For me, this is a show stopper - a potentially brilliant teaching and coaching tool is a brick unless this is fixed. Firstly, the VIRB itself should store speed from the speed sensor (or, in our case, powertap hub) not GPS if GPS is off, and secondly, VIRB edit should cope with a FIT file with no GPS info.

    Otherwise I have a $500 paperweight.

    Any suggestions for who to contact at Garmin to get this looked at?



    Thanks Don! As Falagar mention it is certainly better than nothing with cadence and heartrate, even though I'd really want the speed for these clips as well. Thanks for figuring this out. I might just use the repair tool myself to update the other fit files from this day and create an interim movie with what I can get for now, and update it later when/if Virb Edit can take the file without the GPS track and still present all the sensor values properly.

    /Thomas
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    We are working on using the speed data from FIT. Using FIT files without GPS data is also something we are looking into.
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    We are working on using the speed data from FIT. Using FIT files without GPS data is also something we are looking into.


    Great - do you know if the VIRB will be able to, at some point in the near future, use speed data from a powertap (or any other speed sender) with the GPS turned off in the VIRB?
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    0 Former Member over 11 years ago
    Do we know if there's any sort of ETA on this?