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Training status

Former Member over 8 years ago

Yesterday I received an "Unproductive" status on the Training status page on my 935. Feedback to Garmin:

1) Pretty darn impressive considering I'm fighting a cold and had slept like complete crap the previous 2 nights which the Sleep screen in Connect confirmed.

2) How can my Lactate Threshold and my Aerobic training effect both been positive/improving during yesterday's activity while the overall status went into Unproductive?

3) OHR and pace and the run overall felt nothing out of the ordinary which means the data I was provided went against the old school rule of listening to your body and instead used the behind the scenes data. Again, pretty awesome, but also perplexing as one could question if you should listen to your body or listen to your Garmin.

4) I'm going to use my HRM-TRI for my next few runs to see what type of variance I get in my data, but to date I have found the OHR to behave just like my old chest strap, with the exception that it takes 5-10 seconds longer for it to come down from peak values at times, for example when transitioning from an uphill to a downhill.

I very much want to be able to utilize these tools as much as Polar users swear by the data Polar provides, however I'm somewhat confused on how to do so with unintended mixed messages being received. I gladly welcome anyone who can chime in on a more scientific level.

0 VelinDilov over 8 years ago

Hi guys, I'm uproductive too, this is the message: "Your training load is at a good level, but your fitness is decreasing. Your body may be struggling to recover, so be sure to pay attention to your overall health including stress, nutrition and rest."

How it measure the fitness? I'm only running...

0 R_Tellis over 8 years ago

Are those of you who are getting "unproductive" status seeing higher HR for the pace you're running as the weather in the northern hemisphere gets warmer? Since the TE is based largely on HR it might be take the elevated HR at a similar pace to previous training as a sign of fatigue/over-reaching/overtraining.

0 kitenski over 8 years ago

I did 3x(3x3mins) VO2 work on the bike yesterday and got a new max VO2 and the watch said unproductive. I've just done a lunchtime swim (which I don't think counts) and a steady jog this evening and I've moved to "peaking"

0 timgrose over 8 years ago

Are those of you who are getting "unproductive" status seeing higher HR for the pace you're running as the weather in the northern hemisphere gets warmer? Since the TE is based largely on HR it might be take the elevated HR at a similar pace to previous training as a sign of fatigue/over-reaching/overtraining.

It's getting colder here in the UK! Funny because often I see elevated HR as a good sign as I can get to the point where can't seem to get it up even when think am trying.

According to https://connect.garmin.com/modern/report/-1/all/last_seven_days I have seen 5 different colours in the last fortnight but after tonight's ride rose to Productive from Recovery. As I don't have a PM on my road bike VO2 Max can't change so "Productive" when both my fitness and load are "flat" is a little odd. It does make some sense though, done 2 fairly hard chain gang type rides on consecutive nights so good threshold type training and that was after an hour run on a hilly course day before that where had to get the HR up a bit so it is sort of making sense.

Thing is though when it says "Productive" - for what? I just happen to be running and cycling at the moment, doing a few bike TTs but am normally a runner but not racing at present as Achilles not been great so have backed off running a bit. So I am certainly not a "productive" runner at the moment but relatively I might be a bit better than say a few weeks ago.

0 svintje over 8 years ago

Well, my trail run competition of last Sunday with HR data from the RUN strap doesn't show up in the training load charts. How will the algorythm judge what phase I am in if main events like this are not considered? Confusing...

This is why I asked if it will use the inline-skating activities.
Can't try it yet unfortunately. Waiting for availability in my local shop in BE.

0 VelinDilov over 8 years ago

Hi guys, yesterday the training status was unproductive with 680 and today detraining with 170(big difference). Very interesting because last saturday I had 50km race and the watch advised to rest for 4 days and I was resting, had 2 runs this week and know detraining...

0 timgrose over 8 years ago

Hi guys, yesterday the training status was unproductive with 680 and today detraining with 170(big difference). Very interesting because last saturday I had 50km race and the watch advised to rest for 4 days and I was resting, had 2 runs this week and know detraining...

It does not necessarily mean complete rest - just it is advising against hard workouts. Mind you if I had run 50K then would not be able to do much anyway!

0 VelinDilov over 8 years ago

It does not necessarily mean complete rest - just it is advising against hard workouts. Mind you if I had run 50K then would not be able to do much anyway!

Actually this is the thing, I run 50 km last saturday and this saturday detraining...

0 timgrose over 8 years ago

That's logical if you haven't done anything as VO2 Max can't be seen to improve if the watch sees no training. Anyway after a race you almost certainly have to expect a dip in performance while you recover.

0 Former Member over 8 years ago

guys, i actually have a 4.2 aerobic benefit but 0 Anaerobic benefit for my first run. is there smth wrong?