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Unable to determine lactate threshold

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Not satisfied that I performed my previous lactate threshold test properly in early July, I decided to give it another go today.

I did the warmup portion, pressed the lap key and worked my way through the increasing zones. My previous attempt put me at 156bpm at a 9 min/mile. This time I was maintaining a zone in the 170s and just when I thought I was about to go into the next zone (and possibly die), the test ended and the message "unable to determine threshold" appeared on the screen. Then it suggested I cool down.

Cool down? Determine my lactate threshold and I'll cool down! I ran my cool down and then got on the Internet to find out what happened. Why was this mr. 935 unable to determine? No answers where to be found. Apparently this has never happened to anybody else (according to my Google). So, here I am, seeking answers. Anybody have any knowledge about why this happened? I have speculations from here until the next time I work up the gumption to try this test again, what I need is some actual, factual, concrete answers on why this occurrs.

*the wording "unable to determine lactate threshold" may not be exact.

**Garmin Connect shows the run but no lactate threshold update.
  • Your threshold looks to be around 178bpm as that is about when pace does not continue to rise with HR.
    I suspect this time the test failed because not only did you not finish it but before you stopped there was a huge pace spike so the algorithm might think can you actually run at 6 min/mile pace or perhaps 5 min/mile pace. What was going on there?
  • philipshambrook Yes I did and also that one: https://forums.garmin.com/forum/into...hr-zones/page6
    I believe that I followed all of the instructions. I trust my HRmax was set on a realistic value, one that I had seen on a hear rate monitor before. I was running steadily, going faster along with the course of the test, I was rested and generally in a good shape. Now I have down-set the HRmax to a value I've seen during last months but I believe that it may be too low as I rarely do intervals and other types of exercise that could trigger getting to HRmax.

    Maybe I wasn't clear in my initial post - I am sorry.

    timgrose
    178 HR is a HR which I can only sometimes maintain for a 5-10k run. Generally I can maintain 170-175 and I would consider it my "race" HR - speaking only from personal experience and from "knowing my body".

    the pace spike was my racing with a cyclist. During the final stages I was trying to get my HR up and I was unable to do that so I was trying do go "all in" so i went up with the pace. Maybe that was a mistake but I would have probably stopped either way because of the abdomen pain.
    I can do about 6min/mile for a KM, maybe a bit less but I certainly couldn't sustain 5min/mil for a kilometer.

    This was the second time I tried the threshold test and second time I failed.

    A friend of mine did the test alongside me and he kinda failed as well as he got unrealisticly low value (168) and tempo (above 5min/km) despite his race HR is about 180 and hist PB for HM is 1:37.

    My PBs for reference:
    HM
    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1799480591
    10k
    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1749058343
    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1730637211
    5k
    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1773229106
    However note that only 10k was a competition as I usually run those with my wife as her pacer being more interested in triathlon myself.


    So summing up I REALLY REALLY want to detect the LTHR and I would like my next attempt to be fruitful. The fact that I have to be rested is kind of limiting and it interferes with my training plan, hence the questions.
    The thing that I figured that i can change from above posts is HRmax, which I did.
    I understood that I could also manually enter LTHR to "kickstart" garmin's detection, but won't that interfere with accuracy?
    Thanks for your responses guys!
  • Former Member
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    I have read through the thread and think I understand why I continue to get a failed measurement on the guided test. I am hoping someone on this thread is willing to look at my test file and tell me their thinking as to what my LTHR would be based on this test. I had a maxHR setting of 160. I was dying at the end of the test but I kept in the zones for each. There was a small incline and significant wind during my run that could have impacted the HR/pace relationship.

    I am interpreting my LTHR at 145ish and pace at 8ish min/mile. I will say I know I could not maintain above 145 for very long. If I was going to have to adjust my guess, it would be on the lower end and not higher based on perceived effort.

    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/2724856651
  • Hello, it also happened to me with the Garmin Forerunner 745.
    I did the test twice and it gave me the same error! Honestly on the web did not find any solution!
    Luigi