Any way to set "Power Avg Calc" to _not_ use zeros?

Does anyone know the answer to this? I can turn off this averaging in my garmin edge 1000 but can't find it on the 935. Where is this option located?

Not seen an option to change this. Don't you get close to what you desire with the Normalized Power value?

Have you looked under Sensors and Accessories when the power meter is connected? It's something I remember seeing when using Cadence (on the 920 I think). Haven't looked for it on the 935 but will have to now :-). I get virtual power from PerfPro Studio when indoor cycling but didn't think to look for it.

I'm the original poster on this and I'm no less frustrated than I was back in June. My expensive, flagship Garmin wearable is skewing all of my data/stats (one of the primary reasons people are buying this watch) because it appears Garmin is refusing to add the really simple toggle to not use zeros (a regular feature on their bike computers). GC (desktop) doesn't even list "use zeroes" under the image of the watch anymore.

Someone above mentioned looking in options: it's not in there (at least as of 6.00). Even if I go into the settings for the power/cadence meter/sensor (the bike computer I've paired with in the studio), the only options are "Connect," "Status," "Name" and "Remove."

For anyone new to this problem or wondering why it would be important to not have the watch use zeros, picture the data graphs for both power & cadence as a closely packed series of spikes (just the way the studio bike computers transmit). Those tiny little drops to zero mixed within the data confuse the watch into giving you lower numbers than what you're actually doing. Not allowing zeros would bridge those gaps and give you an accurate representation of what you're doing in the studio.

I wrote the Garmin suggestion line back in June and of course never heard back. Any suggestions or advice on this would be appreciated!

Quick addition: to answer Tim Grose, the NP value actually puts it much higher. On average, the "Avg Power" is a good 10-12 watts under what the studio computer is indicating while the NP can be 20-30watts higher (maybe from the intervals?).

Thx again --
Matt

I think I replied to a copy of this topic in a different forum.

I know it's not the same as having the native feature in your watch, but if you use my app, AppBuilder, you can add a data field or two based on pretty much any formula you want, including Avg Power (no zeros), and have the data saved to your FIT file (graph + final value in summary).
https://apps.garmin.com/en-NZ/apps/d...a-9b8485d2fc80

The formula you want would simply be:
AVG(Power)
(AVG(X) is a function which takes the average of X, without considering 0s)

To consider zeroes, you would use:
AVG0(Power)
(AVG0(X) is a function which takes the average of X, considering 0s)

And to use the native Garmin average power:
AvgPower
(This should be equivalent to AVG0(Power))

BTW, normalized power is much higher because it's calculated by:
1) Taking the 30-second average of Power to the 4th power (exponent)
2) Taking the 4th root of the result from step 1)

It has the effect of adding much more weight to the higher values of Power.

Hopefully FlowState's AVG0 formulae can help you here.

Isn't the real problem more with the spinning bike though. You say you never stop pedalling and yet you get zero power quite a lot. Can you post an example GC link so can visualise this better.

It would be interesting if you had access to any other recording device to check where the root cause of the issue is. Have you tried contacting Schwinn here as the issue is either with them or Garmin or both.

Another possible factor for reception issues is where you are putting/wearing your device in relation to the source of the transmission.

Certainly on my 935 with my Rotor PM I get reception issues when out on the aerobars with watch on my wrist. If I put my watch on say my top tube the reception problems go away.

I found this thread while searching for a solution to my problem connecting my Fenix 3 to a Schwinn Echelon2 console. I own the bike and console, and I just yesterday tried to use it with my Fenix 3 for the first time. It paired fine, but I was having the same problems as the OP. I got nice cadence and power data, but... in looking at the data, LOTS of dropouts, making it all pretty much unusable. First thing I did was to check to see whether there was a firmware update available for the Echelon 2. I was on version 1.6. Yes, it seems that the latest firmware is 1.8. So I downloaded and installed it, hoping to see the problem resolved. Didn't happen. Now I can not pair AT ALL with my Fenix 3. I called their tech support, and the guy pretty much just read the pdf's to me that are publicly available on their website. No solution found. I have the Fenix 3 attached to the handlebar not more than 5 inches from the Echelon 2. I removed it and held it an inch from the device, but the thing just will not pair. Totally pissed. The only satisfaction I have is that now I know that someone else was having the same problem on the older firmware. I'll call their tech support on Monday an let them know about this thread. Hopefully someone will investigate and fix that firmware.

Edit: I added a screenshot from Garmin Connect showing the dropouts from one section of my activity. I disagree with the OP that this is "just the way" the console broadcasts. I see sections of about one minute that have no dropouts at all. In other section it's dropping the ANT connection every couple of seconds.

An update. Just for kicks, I tried to pair to pair Fenix 3 one more time. Partial success! I managed to find a cadence sensor! I still couldn't get the watch to find a power meter though. Good news is that the cadence data are continuous. No dropouts! I tried this for over an hour this morning, with no success. The only thing I did differently this evening was to pair a Scosche Rhythm to the console first. I'll try again tomorrow morning. To the OP, you might want to ask the manager at the spin class what firmware the console is running. 1.8 is the latest. Unless she has the console locked down with a password, you can check yourself. Turn the console on, then simultaneously press the Stage and Avg/Max buttons for 5 to 10 seconds. You'll go into the system menu. You can figure it out from there.

Can you post an example GC link so can visualise this better.

Sorry to circle back to this after some time has passed -- image attached of the power/cadence on GC (similar to DJFAITHFUL). It seems to happen regardless of my position (hands right on the bars vs. by my side if I'm upright for some reason), on all bikes/computers and across multiple devices (other people in the class). The only difference on other devices is that units like the Edge offer the toggle for "no zeros." The signal must be strong if they're all broadcasting to a central antenna; though, I'm not sure if it's the same ANT+/BT signal they're emitting for Garmin -- that would be interesting to look into.

I'll ask the studio about firmware or check it next time I'm in there. I don't trust myself modifying anything per FlowState's advice!

Thx again --

I also have a Schwinn AC with echelon 2 monitor with power upgrade. I was under the impression from dcrainmaker site that the newer Garmin watches wouldn't sync with echelon as they are ANT+ but ANT+FE. From what I read, they dropped the FE protocol and have not mentioned they would bring it back. I did find an old Garmin link about ANT+ in the gym. It listed Garmin forerunner 60, 210, 610, 310XT. I just got a new 310XT with chest strap from amazon. I know the watch is discontinued but it did sync up to the echelon. I just have to turn GPS off every ride. You can customize what parameters you want to display. It is not Bluetooth so you would need to use PC with included dongle to download data. You can then see it on the Garmin connect app on your phone. I have strava linked to Garmin connect. It transfers fine except for the mileage. This is what it looks like on Garmin. https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/2535126913