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My impressions on the 10k training plan with Coach Jeff

Dear all, 

I would like to share with you my personal impressions of the 10km training plan with Coach Jeff Galloway. I know this is going to be a long post, so if you don't want to read it all, just skip until the last paragraph.

A bit of background

Let's start from something basic. I'm not exactly a sportsman, I try to do some physical exercise because I like it and I think it is healthy, but I'm not running in any competitions and I'm not even a member of a sport association. Before the COVID-19 came to Germany, I was biking everyday to work and sometimes also during the weekend and this was enough. When I started working from home, I felt that something was missing to my daily routine so I took advantage of having a treadmill at home and start walking/jogging/running some km every day, until I felt brave enough to try my first outdoor run. 

5km runs were never a problem, but my first 10 km was a disaster. It took me almost 80 minutes and I felt exhausted for a few days after. Pain everywhere, feet, knees and even elbows, not to mention the tiredness feeling. When I have realized I could follow a personalized training, I felt intrigued and decided right away it was worth a try. Since I could run 5km with no problems I opted for the 10 km with 1 hour finishing time as a target. I don't remember why exactly I picked Coach Jeff, but so I did. 

Personalized training plan

At the beginning my expectations were extremely high, I was fascinated by the fact that the training plan was personalized on my performance and that it was supposed to evolve while running. Unfortunately the adaptation is very little, comparing with other runners, it looks that we all had the same training plan being the pace (in the speed and in the race-like splits) the only difference. I think that the only really personalized item is the "confidence level".

Lack of support

In the Garmin Coach tab of the Garmin Connect app, from time to time, there are interesting videos or articles to read. They were rather informative for a real beginner as me, but maybe not really adequate for a more experienced runner. Moreover I was expecting to find here a dedicated part of the forum where different Garmin users could share experiences, report difficulties or simply ask questions. Honestly I was expecting someone of Jeff's staff to be available as a moderator. Instead I could only find a few comments and questions here and there but not in a well organized way. 

Training load

Despite the fact that the training plan should adapt to you, I have the feeling - and apparently my opinion is shared by other users - that the load is by far too heavy. Coach Jeff mentioned in a video his intention to train for a bit longer distance, in order to have the confidence to finish the race distance without issues. But I had a few training sessions longer than a half marathon and this is in my opinion far too much. If at the beginning the training load is reasonable, towards weeks 9 - 10 it becomes brutal. 

Not only the running distance is exaggerated, but also the required training time is too long. If I am planning to run my race in 1 hour, I can accept a training session to last 1.5 h, but not 2.5h. 

I decided to bring it to an end, because of my character. If I take a decision, it is very rare I quit half way, but this time I was really tempted to leave the program or at least to change the trainer.

Unit of measurement

I'm European and I'm a newbie in running. So for me, especially at the beginning, it was already tricky to understand pace value ('/km) and always wondering why not using speed value (km/h). After a while, one get used and understand what it means to run "1 min faster or slower".  The situation is even worse when Coach Jeff is using miles instead of kms especially when defining running paces in '/mi. I know that many american Garmin users can find it exactly the opposite, but it would be very helpful to provide both units of measurement.

Run, Walk, Run

This is the key aspect of Coach Jeff training. When he introduced it, it said that the running and walking intervals depend on your goal pace, he pointed to a table (obviously in '/mi) and suggested that the smartwatch would have helped us in keeping this running / walking structure. I looked at the table and I didn't make out the math to convert it in '/km because I was relying on the fact that the watch would have told me when to walk and when to run. In the first real training there were running splits followed by recovery walks, so I naively though that those were the running and walking intervals. Only later I discovered that I should have run/walk/run during the running splits but the smartwatch was not telling me when to switch. Too bad...

I realized that one can use the alert function of the training program to do that, but I believed it should come automatically. Even better, the run-walk-run should adapt to your performance and change during the training weeks. 

Test races

The coach is suggesting to use the Golden Miles time to evaluate our improvements. But I would have expected during the 12 weeks a few test races, to gain confidence on the right distance and on the right pace. In my opinion this is very important for a beginner, because we are not fully capable to understand our body and to evaluate how much fuel we still have. The risk is to run out too quickly or to finish too late. 

Training evaluation

At the end of training, the smartwatch is asking how it was. That's already important, but the same question should be repeated also 12 hours later. When you finish a run, even if you are tired, you feel good, but after 12 hours you start feeling all your joints, knees in my specific case. Both evaluations should be asked and provided - in my opinion - to really allow a training optimization. Moreover I was expecting that the Garmin coach was evaluating my results telling me what I could improve and possible how. 

Final words (or read here if it was too long)

My virtual race was last Sunday (28.06.), but I had so much pain in my knees I could not run it. Thankfully it was a virtual race, so I simply reschedule it for today (30.06.), but if it would have been a real one, I would have lost my chance to run. 

As I said, I run my 10km this morning with a 55'40'' time, so more than 4' better than my goal. This is making me happy, but not really satisfied, because I had to postpone it of two days to be able to run it. 

In conclusion, I will probably try again the Garmin Coach, but with another trainer, or I will give a try to some other third party applications.

Keep on running! 

  • Hiya.  Sorry to hear about your experience with Jeff. I'm at week 15 of a 16 week Half Marathon programme with Jeff - my first full Garmin Coach experience.  I'm presuming you chose the option to set a target pace for your 10K and not to just complete one.  When I started my very first programme, Jeff's 10K one, I chose target pace 50:00 minutes which would indeed stretch me - too far, and I hit the same issue as yourself.   More adaptation is definitely required to make what I think is a good system excellent I agree. However we do have the option to edit an ongoing programme and revise our targets.  As it happened I got Covid and scrapped the 10K before starting on the excellent Half Marathon programme once I'd recovered.  If I had continued with the 10K I would have revised my target time upwards (to perhaps 52 minutes or so) and continued from there. I agree about the demotivating bit but this is a good workaround: set a less ambitious target.  If you persevere you will smash that target and maybe even find yourself meeting your original one.  I confess I was a little shocked when I was being asked to run 1517 19 miles for a half marathon by Jeff but it's also worth remembering that he is training his students using a run walk run method. Although I have crazily run these longer distances I wasn't it being expected to. I was supposed to use the run walk run approach.  So in summary Garmin coach is not perfect but it has been an invaluable companion to me once I learned to adapt to its limitations.  Hope this has been some help to you.  I'm speaking as someone who has been easily demotivated in the past, but who has has found great motivation using this wonderful combination of hardware and software.  Let us know how you get on! Nigel Foster

  • What's your target? The program adapts to that, not your personal condition. It also displays your chances to achieve your target.

    Also some of the running is meant to be performed on level 2 (1-5) heart beat level. In my case 15km run on 10k under 50mins program means that I'm barely jogging.

  • Unrealistic, and dangerous (IMHO). I'm in week 3 of 13 on a sub-1h 10k plan (6min/km). My 3 days are composed of 1 "easy" run (RWR) of 11,23km, one hill training session (that's really easy), and 8x800 at 5:25 - 5:38min/km speed training.... For me it's recipe for injury. And now, knowing that it will go up to 14, 16x800 I'm not going to finish it.

    I already did Greg McMillan's 5k plan and it was so more effective and safe. Going back to him for the 10K....