Fenix and Edge Integration

No-one has bitten yet on my app suggestion https://forums.garmin.com/forum/deve...emote-display= although a developer did contact me to say that it was possible. It would also need an app on older host devices without extended display support built in such as the fenix 3. We won't hear anything back from Garmin regarding the idea I submitted to them suggesting this early on in this thread.

There are currently several spanners in the works regarding this suggestion though:
- the fenix 5 ANT+ communication is still buggy
- fenix 5 extended display functionality is not as flexible on the Edge and can only duplicate the screens set up in the watch
- the obvious candidate for a native remote display app is the Edge Touring. This is end-of-life now, and is buggy also. Although this use case would breath new life into it and perhaps get Garmin to fix the outstanding bugs

There is a lot of work for whoever implements this, so it will take some time.

If people want this then they should submit the idea as well so that Garmin can see the demand.

Well thanks in any case for promoting this.

Surely Garmin must be working on a solution by now, at least for existing customers (something like a master/slave setting for Edge/watch owners).
I'm not getting my hopes up just yet for a "one computer" (i.e. watch + external display) approach.

I'm holding off on a new Edge until next season so I can buy in function of what will by then hopefully be Garmin's solution.

See https://forums.garmin.com/forum/into-sports/cycling/edge-820-aa/1240978-edge820-new-firmware-beta-v8-17.

There are no apps yet, but the new feature on the 820, which will probably be rolled out to the 520 and 1000 in due course, may prompt some developers to start work. I suspect it needs a custom cycling app that is used instead of the built-in cycling app that pairs with an Edge communicating using the Extended Display protocol.

So...
The edge820 has now a 'remote display mode' in the latest beta firmware.

Anyone any knowledge about those accompanying apps for older devices in the IQ store ?
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That is a nice feature useful in some cases.
Anyway, I don't think it solves anything.
I have edge520 for cycling
I have 920 fo running/ swimming
I am likely to have 935 and still leave 920 as an old device to be used for winter running (killing the battery at -15oC runs with permanent backlight).
All devices can be linked to one account - and it works fine.
I assume recovery advisor and training status be exactly the same on all devices sine I am the only person that uses the only GC account (!).
And I do want to use my edge for _recording_ bike data - simply because it has better accuracy under tree cover in forest trails. Considerably better, I'd say.
I don't want to turn that nice device into simple display.


It is funny that you can send records data from GC Mobile to chosen garmin device (which works fine as well) - but you cannot sent to the same device recovery advisor information.
ANd I assume that recovery information (as well as training status etc) are stored on the device in one single file that is not dependent on history activity data (since it is still there when you delete your history).
So there's _no_ technical issues to make that data behave similar to records (or sent it to device automatically).

Yes, it'll take some time to add to firmware of each device, but it is not huge amount of work and simple code, I think.

And _very_ basic feature.

Personally - I don't need bells and whistles with lap button integration etc (that is complicated task I assume). But really - no issue intergrating that simple profile data.

I fully understand (and want) what people are asking for in this thread, but I think some of the people who are attempting workarounds involving deleting duplicate activities and using second accounts are really overcomplicating things.

Like others, I want everything I do recorded on my f5 so the stats I see on GC are an accurate reflection, but I need to use my Edge 1000 for navigation and to view my stats during a ride. So, I have all my bike sensors connected (via ANT+) to my f5 and Edge, and I record my rides on both devices. Once the ride is over, I stop the activity on both devices, but don't move past the "Save/Discard" option on my Edge. Once I've checked the f5 has successfully synced, I just choose the 'discard' option on the Edge. Plus that means that if anything has gone wrong with the recording on the fenix, I can sync it from the Edge. No problem with duplicate activities and no need for second accounts.

I know this is what some people are already doing (and maybe there's CIQ app data that people can only capture via Edge), but I think this would be a much simpler workflow compared to some of the posts on here.

Agree, that's what I am doing also.

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Like others, I want everything I do recorded on my f5 so the stats I see on GC are an accurate reflection, but I need to use my Edge 1000 for navigation and to view my stats during a ride. So, I have all my bike sensors connected (via ANT+) to my f5 and Edge, and I record my rides on both devices. Once the ride is over, I stop the activity on both devices, but don't move past the "Save/Discard" option on my Edge. Once I've checked the f5 has successfully synced, I just choose the 'discard' option on the Edge. [...]

That does sound good and logical, problem is, that my edge has a way more robust connection to my power meter and GPS. So that the most "accurate" data is always on my edge. I personally think, that it is also more comfortable for longer ride to not necessarily have to take your watch.

I usually don't use my watch to record bike rides except for comparisons of the devices. However on triathlons, I do have records of both my watch (was a 920) and Edge 520. My 520 did have slightly more accurate bike data as I often times made a mistake clicking the lap button too soon or too late. Also the 520 had temp data that the 920 didn't. Now with F5 has temp data so that works out, but I feel the altimeter of the 520 is better than the F5. All that said, since I can't delete just the bike portion of a multisport event, I have no choice except to keep that data and typically delete my Edge data. Sometimes the Edge data is so much better, I'll keep both. It just add a little to my yearly totals so not a big deal.

I fully understand (and want) what people are asking for in this thread, but I think some of the people who are attempting workarounds involving deleting duplicate activities and using second accounts are really overcomplicating things.

Like others, I want everything I do recorded on my f5 so the stats I see on GC are an accurate reflection, but I need to use my Edge 1000 for navigation and to view my stats during a ride. So, I have all my bike sensors connected (via ANT+) to my f5 and Edge, and I record my rides on both devices. Once the ride is over, I stop the activity on both devices, but don't move past the "Save/Discard" option on my Edge. Once I've checked the f5 has successfully synced, I just choose the 'discard' option on the Edge. Plus that means that if anything has gone wrong with the recording on the fenix, I can sync it from the Edge. No problem with duplicate activities and no need for second accounts.

I know this is what some people are already doing (and maybe there's CIQ app data that people can only capture via Edge), but I think this would be a much simpler workflow compared to some of the posts on here.

This is exactly how I get my data stored, I really hope that Garmin would come up with a way to have the Fenix and Edge units communicate with each other. As i generally dislike taking my watch along on ride. It's worse that around 80% of my weekly workouts are done on a bike.

Just wanted to follow up with my own personal experience on this. I've found that the best solution by far is to simply not expect the Fenix 5 to be a comprehensive data hub. Unless the Fenix is your only sports device this simply isn't a good solution since Garmin does not pull enough data onto it from the web (workouts, performance data, etc). Personally I've found that just using Training Peaks as my data hub works much better for me. It doesn't care whether stats come from my Fenix or my Edge, and actually gives me much better insight than the Fenix. Lots of charts and graphs to nerd out on.

Unless Garmin updates the Fenix software, its performance metrics features feel more like a marketing ploy than a serious training tool, as I imagine that many triathletes have a bike computer AND a watch that they use. And the Fenix software just ignores this fact.

Agreed.

And don't you think Garmin Connect tries to be this data hub? It fails horribly at the moment, but the first steps are there. I don't have the cash to pay for yet another premium platform (like strava).