Dear Garmin, why do you hate singletrack runners?

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So let's get something out of the way. I love Garmin products. I've had every Fenix on day one, and I've been a Garmin user since the 310xt with a LOT of devices in between that and the Fenix series. I've got an InReach Mini, an Edge 1000, Varia display and radar, etc, etc, etc.

For the past 7 years or so, I've been a 3 day a week runner and a 3 day a week mountain biker for the most part. On my bikes I use power meters, wheelspeed sensors, etc. I love data. I use a lot of data.

One thing i know is that I can trust MTB's and wheelspeed sensors to know distance data when calibrated well (and I take the time to do that...first time I pair a wheelspeed sensor or move one I always let my watch get good GPS signal and then do a nice easy ride on a straight stretch of road). And I ride and run the same trails a LOT. And my running speed on those trails just doesn't change much.

So I can tell when the GPS recorded distance on a run sucks and when it's decent. For most of the Garmin product life, it's been mediocre. Usually 7-8% short on average, sometimes 10-12%. But I could swear that there were a couple Fenix5x firmware versions that were REALLY good. Like never less than 5% short, and seemingly closer than that. And then right before the Plus line came out, it seemed like the last 5x firmware sent it back to the 10% range again.

And now with the 5x+ I'm still seeing EVERYTHING I run on trail to be about 12% short, sometimes 15%. What gives? Yes, I'm on one-second recording. I've tried it with just GPS and with GPS+Galilleo. No difference. I always go into the activity at least a minute, often 2-3 minutes before I push start so it SHOULD be getting good GPS signal before the activity starts. But trail distance is simply always WOEFULLY short. And like I said, I know it is short because I'm running the same trails I bike and I know the distances. I also know I'm not NEARLY as slow in the woods as the device makes me out to be. On the road I can be VERY consistent at 9:30-10min/mile pace (yes, I'm slow as heck). I know on trail you can often be at least a minute slower than that, sometimes a full two minutes slower than that. But most runs the device has me at high 13's. No way, Garmin. No way.

Come on, get this stuff better. Trail runners deserve better in the flagship device. I know you can because I've seen it. There have been firmware versions that have been better, I swear.


--Donnie
  • The solution to this problem might not be cheap but it's easy: https://www.stryd.com/
    Apart from the interesting data about running power, the Stryd footpod is amazingly precise in all conditions, with no calibration whatsoever. I love it!


    Although I had to slightly calibrate my STRYD--a different setting for treadmills and outdoor runs--it is VERY accurate, no matter the terrain, shoe or pace...very satisfied.
  • I just posted about this in the gps accuracy section. Your concern is spot on. You will get many people that will talk about their hikes or their road rides or their nice longer curved mountain bike rides and trails runs out west and proclaim "Mine works fine. Bad unit or you don't have it set right." You do have it set right. And it matters very little about GPS Only/Galileo/Glonass. Garmin does not like switchbacks and reasonably tight turns in the woods. Running or Cycling. Cycling is notably worse. And I'm comparing to the 310XT, 920XT, 705, and other Suunto devices.

    It is sadly very true. You have to use Stryd (I have one) and the bike sensor (Just ordered one) to get what you want. All the data and functionality and screens and features and music and great stuff is working fine. I just want to see a 8:00 pace instead of a 9:00 minute pace if that's what I ran.
  • When I run single track with another friend with a 5x I almost never see big differences in distance. Elevation can be different depending on initial calibration.





    nmyeti - I'm guessing you are riding or running trails that aren't as tightly designed using switchbacks for space savings. If I ride in an Wilderness area where the turns are "stretched out", I will get really good accuracy. Hiking trails with switchbacks for elevation aren't a big deal because of slower pace.

    Its hard to get the Fenix to be within 4-5% otherwise.