https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/en-USTelligent Community 13https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035097Sat, 30 May 2026 21:52:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:f8eafb5b-79e1-4e34-8471-6758ee6ab94etrux[quote userid="272884" url="~/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035069"]So to calibrate it I just leave it on “Indoors only” right? Is that the case even after the calibration period?[/quote] Yes, exactly. You should always keep it in the mode "indoors only". In this way, it will be still used outdoors, but only when the GPS data is not sufficiently accurate. If you use the mode "always" (even after the the calibration), the watch exclusively relies on the accelerometer of the strap, which can never par accurate GPS data. And in fact the same goes for Stryd or other external sensors - although they may be sometimes more accurate than the HRM, they still cannot compete with GPS with perfect signal. They should be used just to correct the GPS data, when the signal is not sufficiently accurate.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-965/434996/track-run-with-all-miltiband-it-s-a-joke/2035087Sat, 30 May 2026 19:41:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:c618f794-273c-43cb-822a-ee664faa0a40pdurysUnderstand. Thanks If previously your tracks on that same place were "perfect" that must be what you have desribed. I wrote small web app which display tracks using information from Garmin database which I have copied from my FR955 watch. I could provide you with details but not here yet. If you like contact me on gmailhttps://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-265-series/430818/garmin-are-you-there-post-the-old-firmware-version-for-the-fr265/2035083Sat, 30 May 2026 19:18:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:df9cad80-23ac-4a43-96a3-38085c5ff5b4shadow126At least with old tech ethos you could usually go to the website and download older drivers and firmware. This is the only solution/support I need for the FR265.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035069Sat, 30 May 2026 17:48:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:8c802d58-6963-4ac6-a5d9-1fd853d27eefMaria6664789Thank you so much for the info. I just followed the “Help” instructions on Connect. My bad, I wasn’t thorough. So to calibrate it I just leave it on “Indoors only” right? Is that the case even after the calibration period? What if I run outside AND on a treadmill? Is it as accurate as STRYD?https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035057Sat, 30 May 2026 16:55:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:b0629e61-ccce-4a87-9a52-a826e7bb6c4btrux[quote userid="272884" url="~/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035039"]Garmin doesn’t mention anywhere as a requiremen[/quote] They tell it here: What Is Running Economy? | Garmin Customer Support Avoid: Using non-Garmin sensors for running dynamics, as they may block or skew the data. [quote userid="272884" url="~/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035039"]I tried it once and its was crazy inaccurate[/quote] It needs to be calibrated first, before it delivers accurate data. And for that you must not set it to the mode "always" of the Distance and Pace option in Sensors & Accessories. It should stay in the default "Indoors only" mode (it is used outdoors anyway, despite it, to improve the GPS accuracy). Once properly calibrated, it is pretty accurate.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-265-series/430818/garmin-are-you-there-post-the-old-firmware-version-for-the-fr265/2035056Sat, 30 May 2026 16:49:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:b3c19673-198f-453f-8415-876781823715gxgene1All of the following is just my opinion. I've been using tech for a very long time, when actual hard drives not SSD's dominated storage, I'd see lot of comments railing about a certain brand of hard drive be it Maxtor, Seagate, Western Digital, Quantum, Samsung, Toshiba, ect. with plenty of comments of "They will never get my business again". The trouble with that is, all of those brands at some point have had less desirable product and support issues. Never is a long time and in many cases (back then) moving on to a different brand meant moving on to the next unhappy failure. At various times I did stop buying specific brands and always worked to find and choose the brand which represented the best chance of long term success. It was not uncommon to go back to a previously undesirable brand because the product improved. That's still my viewpoint. Ceasing to purchase is a powerful way to send a message and maybe the only real way we have to influence product development, considering how little information Garmin actually puts out about the various problems and how prone Garmin is to abandon a product without remedies, products that have notable price points. I like my Garmin's I have various types. If Garmin abandons the FR265 without sufficient remedies or recourse to users then any future purchase will be open season; look at all the potential choices and make the best decision for the need. Garmin will not get the free pass I would have been inclined to give them. Garmin can do it, if they choose. I am quite happy with the Optical HR of the FR245, for my needs. Why Garmin can't or won't for the FR265 remains a very sore point to me.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-55-series/437210/forerunner-55-stuck-on-weird-data-screensSat, 30 May 2026 15:43:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:3a321221-4069-4198-afc7-20df40e43660iliteraMy watch is stuck on odd screens. Originally I was getting the dreaded triangle, but after restarting, I now get ones that say: Backlight 13% Beep frequency 4000 Vibration Test A bunch of concentric color squares GPS test acceleramator esn with a qr code thing. etc. Help!https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2035039Sat, 30 May 2026 15:14:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:4410b3ee-408a-4828-8a18-3c453d727e22Maria6664789So the problem is my STRYD? Garmin doesn’t mention anywhere as a requirement that I should be getting my pace from the HRM600… I tried it once and its was crazy inaccurate. Anyway thanks a lot for taking the time to reply. I guess I won’t be using the RE feature.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/434373/hrv-baseline-and-training-readiness-are-gone-after-the-update-yesterday/2035026Sat, 30 May 2026 13:34:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:51488af9-4f5f-4bfd-b5a9-410c2e7bac81cc32bcdfe7b2456ebb17dd0a6c3e1c79It isn’t solved. Seems that the update has reset some of the parameters but not all. I’ve done a hard reset- no change. Training readiness still No Data. Also affects the Training Status which is showing No HRV Status.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/434373/hrv-baseline-and-training-readiness-are-gone-after-the-update-yesterday/2035018Sat, 30 May 2026 12:54:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:5859fc65-b3c0-45cc-82eb-15b0f4049436AdameszSo how did you solve that problem?https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/437203/17-33-forerunner-970-calibration-factor-is-not-applied-to-stryd-5-0-foot-pod-paceSat, 30 May 2026 12:48:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:370e0b37-e073-4bf8-ba4f-aa73674224805017937Calibration factor is not applied when using Stryd 5.0 foot pod for pace. Watch shows pace without applying calibration factor. Recorded running pace chart also does not apply calibration factor. The calibration factor should be applied by watch, it has nothing to do with the foot pod. It is ease to check because 1. Recorded pace is the same as raw pace downloaded from foot pod. 2. Enable Auto calibration but foot pod pace and GPS pace (lap pace) still don't match, but you can calculate that the difference is equal to the calibration factor. It was working properly last year. This is runners watch and yet this is broken for half a year now despite multiple reports.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-955-series/437151/no-music-library-and-cannot-download-music-podcasts/2035017Sat, 30 May 2026 12:43:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:eda74a85-6ab8-4889-be85-ab003d5c989f1929690Same for me, noticed today, was failing when updating playlist at 8%, tried to reinstall spotify and still failing at 1-2%.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/434373/hrv-baseline-and-training-readiness-are-gone-after-the-update-yesterday/2035015Sat, 30 May 2026 12:38:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:17ffe532-5559-4b5e-9c6e-384607fc68e6AdameszSo how did you solve that problem?https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing/2034999Sat, 30 May 2026 09:15:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:4eac651b-28bf-43ec-86f5-bcb18b1dcad4trux[quote userid="272884" url="~/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missing"]Am I being impatient or there’s something wrong with my device?[/quote] It depends which watch model you have. Not all of them are compatible with Running Economy. Though if you get the SSL, it is probable your model supports RE too. Check the specs if your are unsure. It also does not work for trail runs, and for runs with a "Pack Weight". Ideally it should be a 30+ minutes run at an easy pace on flat terrain. Do not combine HRM 600 with other sensors (foot/RD pod, Stryd, ...).https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/434373/hrv-baseline-and-training-readiness-are-gone-after-the-update-yesterday/2034988Sat, 30 May 2026 07:55:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:eb5867b6-8dc6-469e-8f16-02a2c1089e6ecc32bcdfe7b2456ebb17dd0a6c3e1c79Same for me. Since the update the HRV is recording overnight, but the baseline and 7day average values have gone. The baseline graph still shows the trace line (I was below the baseline for most of it) but the 7 day average show no value (No Status) with the message “determining baseline wear for 3 weeks”. Training Readiness also has been wiped out and shows “No Data”. I have worn my FR970 constantly throughout (including sleep).https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/437196/fr-970---after-17-33-update-no-data-in-training-readiness-frozen-hrv-status-widget/2034987Sat, 30 May 2026 07:54:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:8442bfe6-6d8b-4803-ac60-527b18d9b9edcc32bcdfe7b2456ebb17dd0a6c3e1c79Same for me. Since the update the HRV is recording overnight, but the baseline and 7day average values have gone. The baseline graph still shows the trace line (I was below the baseline for most of it) but the 7 day average show no value (No Status) with the message “determining baseline wear for 3 weeks”. Training Readiness also has been wiped out and shows “No Data”. I have worn my FR970 constantly throughout (including sleep).https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/437109/critical-bug-in-software-version-17-33-unable-to-start-any-activity-watch-reboots-every-time/2034985Sat, 30 May 2026 07:49:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:4499cb59-37e4-414e-9eff-eaedc86f4799VolkanI am already in contact with Garmin Support regarding this issue. As I mentioned before, I can absolutely understand and tolerate occasional bugs. Software development is complex, and no product is perfect. However, when the same types of critical issues continue to appear release after release, it stops being a simple bug and starts looking like a lack of attention to quality and reliability. The number of issues present in software version 17.33 alone is difficult to accept for a flagship product. More importantly, this is not the first time I have experienced serious stability problems on my Forerunner 970. Because of a bug introduced by your software team, I have spent the last two days completing my training sessions with a watch and heart rate strap from another brand. As someone who trains seriously and invests in premium equipment, that is extremely frustrating. If I am forced to rely on another brand for my training, then I have to ask: why did I spend this much money on a Garmin flagship watch in the first place? At the moment, I am genuinely disappointed. I purchased the Forerunner 970 expecting industry-leading reliability, yet after the 17.33 update I cannot even start an activity without the watch rebooting. I sincerely hope Garmin takes these recurring quality issues seriously and improves the testing and validation process before future software releases.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/accessories-sensors/437197/hrm600-running-economy-missingSat, 30 May 2026 07:05:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:b665da02-36ff-402e-8653-266e7d1b1dbbMaria6664789I need your insight. I’ve been using my new HRM600 for more than 10 runs now. I’m following the garmin protocol but still I haven’t received my Running Economy status. Am I being impatient or there’s something wrong with my device? I have to mention that I do get the SSL but no RE. Thank you in advance for reading and helping.https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/437196/fr-970---after-17-33-update-no-data-in-training-readiness-frozen-hrv-status-widgetSat, 30 May 2026 06:42:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:5cb037ac-e799-4d6e-96cd-31b23633da92AdameszHi, after latest update my FR 970 doesn’t show training readiness data, and last average overnight hrv status. On the watch, the HRV status widget is still in a sleep mode (frozen wdget?) . A soft reset didn't help, and neither did re-pairing, syncing works fine, but nothing changes. Any sugestions? Greetings AdamFrozen hrvFR97019.33updatebughttps://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-970/436978/silent-mode-vs-do-not-disturb/2034969Sat, 30 May 2026 04:48:00 GMTa9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:566cbe66-64f9-477b-85d7-6e3813744b575689389focus mode can do similar thing also.