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  • Swimming wrist HRM

    Just another vote for enabling the swimming wrist HRM on the device.

    Over the weekend - wore it without starting Pool Swimming activity - leaving to MoveIQ to recognize activity in the pool.
    HRM works this way and works great.

    I invite others to test it and put more pressure to Garmin to leave this options to users to decide if they want it enabled during swimming.
    I will never wear a strap in the pool, and have right to decide if I want wrist based HRM during swimming.
    iWatch and Suunto both provide this out of the box.

  • #2
    First off, you don't have the right. You have the right to decide to use oHRM while swimming only if Garmin decides to allow this feature on your 935. Secondly, since it's a fact that water will deminish the reliability of an already questionable oHRM, how do you come to the conclusion that it works great? I am aware other companies are using oHRM while swimming. I'm also aware that studies have shown this to be the least accurate usage of an oHRM. I've had this discussion with others in the VA3 forum when the oHRM was accidentally left on, so I did do my own test with my 935. I found the results to be extremely off and no use to me. With all the complaints that currently exist, I think Garmin's current position on this is the correct one until the technology improves.

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    • #3
      I think it should be put an option in Menu by Garmin. With warnings and disclaimer activating it...
      Than if I want...I activate it...aware it may not work or not work properly.
      In this way...this discussion room would not exist ....and all users ...happy

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      • #4
        Read - https://www.wareable.com/fitness-tra...aterproof-4052.

        Note particularly
        That's why you're unlikely to get any kind of data that is reliable or of any use. At least from the ones that sit around the wrist.
        You might get the occasional result that appears reasonable, but more often than not, you won't.

        There is no point collecting data that is unreliable. It's completely pointless. HR from an optical sensor won't work with current technology. Accept that and move on.

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        • #5
          That's actually one of several articles I was going to reference. I don't know why, but a lot of people feel strongly about this topic. It seems as if the trending answer is to add an option to turn the oHRM on or off while swimming with a disclaimer. Initially I thought this would be a good idea, but after further consideration I think it could cause more problems for both Garmin and consumers than any benefit to either party.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by domengo View Post
            I think it should be put an option in Menu by Garmin. With warnings and disclaimer activating it...
            Than if I want...I activate it...aware it may not work or not work properly.
            In this way...this discussion room would not exist ....and all users ...happy
            This...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TMK17 View Post
              First off, you don't have the right. You have the right to decide to use oHRM while swimming only if Garmin decides to allow this feature on your 935. Secondly, since it's a fact that water will deminish the reliability of an already questionable oHRM, how do you come to the conclusion that it works great? I am aware other companies are using oHRM while swimming. I'm also aware that studies have shown this to be the least accurate usage of an oHRM. I've had this discussion with others in the VA3 forum when the oHRM was accidentally left on, so I did do my own test with my 935. I found the results to be extremely off and no use to me. With all the complaints that currently exist, I think Garmin's current position on this is the correct one until the technology improves.
              This is forum = everyone can have oppinion.
              As stated, wrist HRM works for me in the water - and this is second Garmin that actually do (VSHR+ worked perfectly, also with MoveIQ identifying swimming)

              Now If things like (for example) lactacte threshold, altimeter, barometer sg else on your watch dont work for you - from respect I will not say you dont need them.

              My point is called feature.
              If Apple and Suunto are enabling it natively - and Garmin requires strap to activate it - to me it sound more like upselling than anything else.

              Or I should read this that they are simply having better HRM?
              We all know that Garmin just needs to give us option to activate it during swimming.

              I dont see how anyone can be offended by this
              Last edited by seilogramp; 12-19-2018, 03:22 PM. Reason: language

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              • #8
                I don't see anyone getting offended. You are correct. This is an open forum where people can post their opinions just as you and I did. When I say you don't have the right to oHRM while swimming unless Garmin grants it, that is not an opinion. It is a fact. Just because other companies allow it doesn't entitle you to have the same.
                Last edited by TMK17; 03-20-2018, 10:48 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TMK17 View Post
                  I don't see anyone getting offended. You are correct. This is an open forum where people can post their opinions just as you and I did. When I say you don't have the right to oHRM while swimming unless Garmin grants it, that is not an opinion. It is a fact. Just because other companies allow it doesn't entitle you to have the same.
                  Important that we arrived...

                  ...reading this - you wouldn't have anything against it.
                  Other users like me - could find it useful.

                  Garmin?
                  Can we have this... please?

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                  • #10
                    There are many watches who is able to do HRM while swimming. Companies like Fitbit, tomtom has the watches which can full fill your requirements. here some of the best smartwatch for swimmers: https://technosoups.com/best-waterpr...-for-swimming/

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                    • #11
                      There are many watches who is able to do HRM while swimming
                      Really? Perhaps you'd care to list those that have been able to reliably and accurately record HR data while swimming from a wrist-worn device.

                      This discussion is not about which fitness tracker is good for swimming, it's specifically about recording HR data while swimming.

                      Where is the most important part - recording heart rate while swimming? Did you read the words behind the link? Your post adds nothing to the discussion about HR while swimming.

                      Feel free to prove me wrong, but as far as I am aware there are currently no watches with optical HR that can reliably and accurately measure heart rate while swimming, unless a chest strap is worn.

                      Every one has the right to ask for it. All of us who swim would love to have it. But there is absolutely no point demanding it from Garmin, or any other manufacturer for that matter when the technology simply does not work currently.
                      Last edited by philipshambrook; 03-21-2018, 03:31 AM.

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                      • #12
                        In pool swim mode, there is no point to enable OHR due to the method used to record sensor data, there is 1 set of datapoints per length. Only when a HRM-Swim or Tri is used, downloaded HR data can be added later.

                        As to whether or not it works.. I have done a lot of experimenting with OHR while swimming before the HRM-Tri and -Swim became available. A Scosche Rhythm worn next to a Suunto Ambit, original Fenix or FR60 seemed to work for breaststroke swimming, but not when it was cold. Later I checked how well data from the Scosche matched with the HRM-Tri and indeed, for open water breaststroke swimming on warm days it worked well. Other than that.. not great. The HRM-Tri and Swim are a great solution, I'm real happy with those. Only in salt water I still use the Scosche Rhythm because the Tri doesn't work there.

                        If you want to try it yourself (at your own risk, the Scosche Rhythm is not rated for under water use).. make sure to put an extra band over the Scosche because its velcro gets loose very easily in water.

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                        • #13
                          Why do you say the Tri doesn't work in saltwater? I have only used mine in freshwater, but as the weather warms I intend to use in saltwater. I have friends who have used them in saltwater and there's even a picture of dcrainmaker at the ocean doing his review of the Tri and Swim. An internet search doesn't bring up anything about saltwater. It just says not recommended for pools due to harsh chemicals. The manual doesn't say anything about it either. I would think if it was an issue it would definitely be there. Where are you getting this info? I'd like to see it before I use my strap.
                          Last edited by TMK17; 03-22-2018, 01:38 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by phnikola View Post

                            We all know that Garmin just needs to give us option to activate it during swimming.

                            I dont see how anyone can be offended by this
                            Well, I am offended by this comment. Is it really necessary to start swearing in the conversation? And if only the flag button was working...
                            Last edited by seilogramp; 12-19-2018, 03:24 PM. Reason: removed offending comment from quote

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TMK17 View Post
                              Why do you say the Tri doesn't work in saltwater?
                              I used it in the North Sea while NOT wearing a wetsuit, and it did not record anything at all while in the water. I guess because salt water is conductive.
                              Polar HRMs (the old analog ones, that use a very low frequency) that normally do work under water, also didn't work for me in the sea.
                              But my experience is only in one place - best phone Garmin and ask them.
                              Last edited by Twinaxx; 03-22-2018, 01:40 PM.

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