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CGUETTLER
03-01-2010, 08:38 AM
While using my Foretrex 401 I can see my heart rate, but once it is downloaded to my "activities" the graph of heart rate doesn't show up.
It says there is no data.
The altitude and speed both show on the graphs but not heart rate.
Any ideas on what I am doing wrong.

MARTOWL
03-01-2010, 06:51 PM
I recently purchased a Dakota 20 to use on multiday hikes and wanted HR functionality. I don't know if the ForeTrex works the same way or not. The HR data is in the tcx file on the device. When you connect to Garmin Connect the HR data is not uploaded (I don't know why). This happened with my Dakota 20. Instead of uploading from the device, select to upload from a file then select the file on your device. When I uploaded my Dakota 20 file this way the HR data showed up here http://connect.garmin.com/activity/25886979.

RUSSRIVERA08
04-26-2010, 09:44 PM
Any luck with this issue?

THEPOODLESPOUCH
06-02-2010, 02:58 PM
I also have this issue and connot upload either cadence or heartrate to Garmin Connect

CGUETTLER
06-26-2010, 09:45 PM
I called Garmin and they told me to return the unit. The new unit does the same thing.
No HR in Garmin Connect.
Not Happy.

PAULGAEDE
06-28-2010, 10:22 PM
I just received the 401 as a gift today with the heart rate monitor. It says connected but I don't see where it shows my heart rate....and I was sweating enough for it to be making contact.

I see altitude, and mph has its own screen but nothing about heart rate.

I haven't loaded the cd yet or hooked it to my computer...is it a setting I have to do there?

Thanks for any help....and sorry for the threadjack.

PAUL2501
08-05-2010, 09:39 AM
Yes, I have the same problem I have just bought a HR Monitor, it sync'd up with the foretrex 401 unit that I have ok, but I am not seeing any information when I upload the details to Garmin connect.

PAUL2501
08-05-2010, 09:52 AM
Just found some more information on this, apparently because the foretrex 401 is not one of Garmins "active sport products", you can display your heartrate on the 401, but not upload the data to Garmin Connect. So in other words, it will only let you upload the data if you are using a forerunner etc. Great!! just wasted 29 pounds on this!

I got this information from

http://johngalea.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/forerunner-305-review/

ERWINSLUIJTER
10-07-2010, 07:11 AM
I recently purchased a Dakota 20 to use on multiday hikes and wanted HR functionality. I don't know if the ForeTrex works the same way or not. The HR data is in the tcx file on the device. When you connect to Garmin Connect the HR data is not uploaded (I don't know why). This happened with my Dakota 20. Instead of uploading from the device, select to upload from a file then select the file on your device. When I uploaded my Dakota 20 file this way the HR data showed up here http://connect.garmin.com/activity/25886979.
Where in Garmin Connect can I find the option to "upload from a file"?

MARTOWL
10-12-2010, 09:27 PM
Here is your answer and I have included a couple of screenshots.

The upload button is on the right at the top.

https://files.me.com/martowl/j2tpzl

Then at the bottom select Manual Upload. From there you will be able to select a file to upload. This works with any gpx file, I can upload my Suunto X10 files onto Garmin Connect if I like once they are saved into gpx. My Oregon 450 will parse the HR data into the file if uploaded this way. A direct connection to Garmin Connect will not upload the HR data.

https://files.me.com/martowl/28zqus

ERWINSLUIJTER
10-21-2010, 07:48 AM
Hey thanks very much! Feel like a bit of a dud for missing the link below the buttons... Thanks for the screen shots!! I will try it tomorrow!

MARTOWL
10-31-2010, 05:34 PM
Did this work for you?

WDBGARMINUSER
12-14-2010, 10:24 PM
Yup it works for me! Brilliant, thank you very much. My 405cx battery dies after 11 months (only get 30 mins) so I upgraded the firmware on my 401 which allowed the Heartrate sensor to work but I could never get it to show the heartrate in the Garmin Connect website....

So yes I can confirm if you manually upload the "curent.gpx" file it works just fine...

WDBGARMINUSER
12-14-2010, 10:29 PM
I just received the 401 as a gift today with the heart rate monitor. It says connected but I don't see where it shows my heart rate....and I was sweating enough for it to be making contact.

I see altitude, and mph has its own screen but nothing about heart rate.

I haven't loaded the cd yet or hooked it to my computer...is it a setting I have to do there?

Thanks for any help....and sorry for the threadjack.

You need to set one of the customizable fields on the information page to show heart rate. Just push enter on the info page (the one that gives you all the stats) and then choose "change fields". move to a field you don't need and push "enter". Now you can scroll through and select heartrate. That field will then show your heartrate...

MARTOWL
12-15-2010, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the info on this, I am seriously considering getting one, the battery life is great and having the HR show in Garmin Connect is great. The 401 is quite a bit smaller than my Oregon 450 so this should work nicely for my trail running in the mountains this next summer. I am also glad I could help getting the HR data uploaded. Seems strange to me that Garmin has not implemented this properly but at least there is a workaround.

WDBGARMINUSER
12-16-2010, 12:55 AM
As I own both a 401 (and several 201's before that) and a 405cx I can highlight the differences for you, aside from the obvious physical size, from a user perspective. This is from the perspective of Desert Motorcycle Endurance riding.

The biggest advantage of the 405 over the 401 is that the recording can be paused via the stop watch. With the 401 you just switch it on and it starts doing it's thing whereas with the 405 you can control your training session with a deciding start/pause/stop/reset - absent from the 401. The 401 on the other hand has the advantage of being able to show tracks (bread-crumb) - absent from the 405 until you get home and upload to Garmin Connect. The 405 is also tailored for training so you can choose to break your session down into laps or pre-set intervals (e.g. mile-by-mile comparisons) and set up training profiles. All this is not possible with the 401.

The 405 suffers from a dodgy non-user replaceable battery (do some googling to see general unhappiness in that department). Mine died after 11 months - only able to hold a 45 minute charge with the GPS on) so it's back to Garmin for a new battery. The 401 uses two AAA replaceable batteries so easier to deal with. The bevel control system on the 405 is a little fiddly (esp with gloves on) and it is possible to accidently change settings while training if your hand flicks back and touches the bevel. I advise locking it by pushing the two control buttons when training.

As I have been forced to use the 401 as a temporary replacement for the excellent 405 I have come to accept the minor issues and it does give me the bulk of info I need to track my training sessions via Garmin Connect including heart rate using my 405cx monitoring strap. I did have to do a firmware update though as my 401 was very first generation production and so it did not support the heart rate monitoring function out of the box. All good!

MARTOWL
12-16-2010, 01:09 PM
The biggest advantage of the 405 over the 401 is that the recording can be paused via the stop watch. With the 401 you just switch it on and it starts doing it's thing whereas with the 405 you can control your training session with a deciding start/pause/stop/reset - absent from the 401.

Thanks for all of the great info WDBGARMINUSER, my main use is for trail running, I don't do much custom workouts, attempting the hills we have here is challenge enough. The ability to load running routes in the mountains so when I am off trail or rough trails I won't miss waypoints is something I will use.

I have a couple of questions, since there is no start-stop, will the 401 save a track simply by turning it on and off? I did look at the manual but did not see this. Second, can you get pace information min/mi or min/km in Garmin Connect?

Thanks

WDBGARMINUSER
12-17-2010, 12:03 PM
Thanks for all of the great info WDBGARMINUSER, my main use is for trail running, I don't do much custom workouts, attempting the hills we have here is challenge enough. The ability to load running routes in the mountains so when I am off trail or rough trails I won't miss waypoints is something I will use.

I have a couple of questions, since there is no start-stop, will the 401 save a track simply by turning it on and off? I did look at the manual but did not see this. Second, can you get pace information min/mi or min/km in Garmin Connect?

Thanks

The 401 is very flexible for setting up routes. We use them here for races - the route is pre-loaded onto the competitors 401's and they must then follow that route. Works very well.

Yes - it creates individual sessions within Garmin Connect each time you switch it on or off.

As for stats, you would ony get overall pace info - moving average, total average, stopped time and so. That's where the 405cx shines as you can set splits to see how you perform mile-on-mile for example, or by laps (GPS auto-located or manual lap enter). Then again the player will give you the actual route with speed/elevation/heartrate as it occured. You just cannot do splits. To see the kind of info you get hop over to my last activity with a 401:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/59749733

vs a similar session with a 405cx:

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/57769221

You will notice there is no "calories consumed" field from the 401 - this is a part of the 405cx training side of things

Now check out this activity where I activated splits on the 405cx based on laps (by GPS location):

http://connect.garmin.com/splits/55228224

and this one should be of the most interest to you for what you do - it's a run I did around a park. I set the splits by kilometers:

http://connect.garmin.com/splits/55228224

There you get detailed stats by the mile/km. Unfortunately this is just not possible with the 401 where you only get overall averages for the entire session...

WDBGARMINUSER
12-18-2010, 01:50 AM
Sorry that last link should have been:

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/21650375

MARTOWL
12-19-2010, 09:44 AM
Thanks for the post, I had a 405CX for awhile but the battery degraded quickly and I found the elevation data wildly inaccurate until uploaded. The 8h battery life was more like 6 or so, too short for a day in the mountains. I have a Suunto T6c that I like very much. However, importing routes and saving routes is helpful when running mountain trails. I think I will give the 401 a try and realize that splits, etc will not be displayed. I also import all of my data into a Mac-based program called rubiTrack that will allow you to view splits. Having the HR data on the 401 is nice as well. For my longer runs, the battery life on the Fortrex is not likely to be an issue. If the 310XT had a barometric altimeter I would be using it now..... I hope they include this with the update when the model is updated.

ORXION
12-22-2010, 04:26 AM
I recently purchased a Dakota 20 to use on multiday hikes and wanted HR functionality. I don't know if the ForeTrex works the same way or not. The HR data is in the tcx file on the device. When you connect to Garmin Connect the HR data is not uploaded (I don't know why). This happened with my Dakota 20. Instead of uploading from the device, select to upload from a file then select the file on your device. When I uploaded my Dakota 20 file this way the HR data showed up here http://connect.garmin.com/activity/25886979.

where in Dakota can I found the file, pls?

TICKER18
12-22-2010, 08:20 AM
(garmin drive letter):\Garmin\GPX\

Folder : Current if you upload it right away or Archive if you save it.

I've found this thing today by myself before I find this thread for the HRM. At least I can still see the result by uploading it manually.

ORXION
12-25-2010, 04:14 AM
thx :cool:

MARTOWL
12-25-2010, 08:39 AM
Glad you figured this out. I don't know why Garmin can't permit the uploading of HR data with the Dakota/Oregon automatically but at least it works and it is a very nice feature to have HR capability in these models. Thanks Garmin!

TICKER18
12-25-2010, 02:31 PM
I'm in contact with the support team for that issue, hope they resolve it.

TICKER18
12-27-2010, 02:09 PM
I've not tried it yet but one of the support specialist told me that I need to save the track I've done in the Dakota so everything should be uploaded automaticly.

I'll test it tonight, in a middle of a snow storm :)

From the support specialist

Two things to keep in mind when uploading a track file from your Dakota 20 with heart rate information. The first thing to check is that the entire track has heart rate information. If your track starts recording and you do not have the heart rate monitor (HRM) paired or on, you will have track points without information. This causes the track to ignore the heart rate information.
The other thing to be aware of is that you will need to make sure the track has been saved on the unit. Tracks that are still actively recording will also not transfer the heart rate information. As long as you have the above two requirements met, you will be able to transfer tracks with heart rate data.