Approach R10 sim session data to my bag.

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2187427 — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 17:11:22 GMT

Will do. Thanks Garmin-Cody!

RE: Approach R10 sim session data to my bag.

Garmin-Cody — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 17:06:00 GMT

The club listing mirrors the list in of clubs set in the My Bag section of the Garmin Golf app to adjust and assign the club used for each shot during sim sessions.

The distances and metrics recorded during sim sessions can be reviewed, but are not designed to be attributed towards the max/average distances that populate from actual rounds of golf recorded from actual measured shots on a golf course.

At this time there are not any announcements in offering this feature, but Garmin is reviewing feedback from users as well.

Thoughts/ideas for the technical implementation of averaging simulated distances...whether it's the idea of adding a separate "virtual/simulation" club list separate...or even implementation from a coding standpoint...can be submitted for consideration through the Garmin Ideas form on the official website. Link to Garmin Ideas form below if needed:

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/forms/ideas/

RE: Approach R10 sim session data to my bag.

2187427 — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 16:55:13 GMT

All that being said the developers have all the data collected from sim sessions so why could they not create a 'virtual' golf bag with the same metrics as the real one but using sim data? Maybe we're asking the wrong question: "Can/Will Garmin developers create an option to see club data similar to 'My Bag" but using sim session data instead of GPS data?"

RE: Approach R10 sim session data to my bag.

Garmin-Cody — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 16:06:08 GMT

The shot data is a simulation based on radar derived metrics for each shot, and is programmed to give an estimate as accurately as possible with the information available recorded within the space available.

The club list in the My Bag section will only display distances recorded during an actual round of golf using GPS with the AutoShot feature detecting the shot, measuring distance using GPS, and then sensors or manual assignment of shots to the club used during an actual round.

Per your comment, the simulated shot distances derived through radar on the Approach R10 are not enabled towards My Bag max/average distances, because distance on the R10 is calculated via radar...vs GPS distance for actual shot to shot distances during a real round.

RE: Approach R10 sim session data to my bag.

1400610 — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 22:28:08 GMT

I read some thing where they said they don’t want to include driving range data because it isn’t accurate, because you’re not actually on the course. So I don’t know if this means you’re supposed to carry the R10 with you when you play around and set it up before every shot?

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2187427 — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 22:18:13 GMT

Then create a new area that averages sim session data. We can export the data and quite easily do this so I'm not sure your dev team is actually understanding the ask of many of its customers. Hopefully they figure something out

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1400610 — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 20:01:58 GMT

Jaws, I can’t share a link here. Id be happy to share the spreadsheet with you though. Not sure how to get a link to you on this site.

But, like KC says- Golf Shot Analytics. I’ve heard of it, and I guarantee it’s going to 100x superior to anything I scrape together in Sheets.

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KCGolferGuy — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 17:27:46 GMT

Hey 1400 (I hope you don’t mind if I use your nick number) - Wow, double wow, and triple wow. And, hold your horses, we may be chasing the wrong rabbit. Check out Golf Shot Analytics. It used to be R10 Analytics but now supports three other monitors besides the R10. It looks like it does a lot but I’m going to have to pull out my old Windows system to try it out. Best feature: it’s FREE! How someone can develop something like this and then not charge for it boggles my mind. Link below…

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Edited 7/7/2023: Per terms of use and use external 3rd party links.

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jaws1833 — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 14:33:06 GMT

I’d love to have a copy of the spreadsheet. I’m pretty excel savvy, but no need to re-invent the wheel.

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1400610 — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:33:25 GMT

Get ready to read a novel...

I thought I was good with spreadsheets until I saw some of the things my peers can do. People write formulas that absolutely blow my mind haha. I messed around for a bit today, but getting the data to sort itself by date is proving to be beyond my ability. It's like the whole sheet needs to be pre-built with all the days I plan to hit in advance.

Each session is imported into a folder in my Drive, then I have to manually copy-paste it into the first sheet in my analytics file (titled "Imported Data"). I'm sure there's a way to automate this, or do it differently (you can write a function that will pull data from different files entirely). The first page of my analytics file has all of my sessions in one big list, but each session also exists as a separate file that isn't used in calculations.

I use something like a template file... basically I have a sheet for each club in my bag (all of these sheets are in the analytics file, not their own files). All the formulas on the club sheets are looking for data ONLY for the associated club. So the 7 Iron page has a lot of: IF('Imported Data'!$D:$D="7 Iron"... and the 3 Wood page is all: IF('Imported Data'!$D:$D="3 Wood". Lastly, I have a "Data Presentation" sheet that combines all the clubs and displays the final numbers in a comparative list. Each of the columns in this list pull data from the individual club sheets. So my 7 Iron column in the "Data Presentation" sheet is just a bunch of functions like ='7 Iron'!C$10, ='7 Iron'!D$10, ='7 Iron'!E$10.

So its a three step process. Import the data into the main sheet, filter outliers and sort by clubs on more sheets, look at each of the filtered sheets and conglomerate the final numbers together.

All of this is barely scratching the surface of what programs like Google Sheets and Excel can do. If you haven't already done so, check out ChatGPT. It's intelligence is mostly just algorithmic logic, so its VERY good at writing out formulas in Excel and Sheets for you. You just have to be very specific and clear with what you're looking for. You also need to have a fair idea of exactly what you're looking to do, and a logic path to the end-goal. Basically, you need to be ably to write out a formula in plain language, and ChatGPT can convert it to Sheets language for you. Here's an example I just did:

ME: "Write me a Google Sheets formula that finds the range of values in column E, excluding any values that fall outside of 2 standard deviations, so long as the phrase "5 Hybrid" is in column D."

ChatGPT: "To find the range of values in column E, excluding any values that fall outside of 2 standard deviations, so long as the phrase "5 Hybrid" is in column D, you can use the following formula in Google Sheets: [ =MAX(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid")) - MIN(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid")) ]"

ChatGPT then goes on to explain what each portion of the function does and why. I notice no standard deviations...

ME: You forgot to include the 2 standard deviation filter.

ChatGPT: Apologies for the oversight. To include the 2 standard devi...blah blah... use this formula: [ =MAX(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid", E:E <= AVERAGE(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid")) + 2 * STDEV(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid")))) - MIN(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid", E:E >= AVERAGE(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid")) - 2 * STDEV(FILTER(E:E, D:D="5 Hybrid")))) ]"

This formula is insanely long and complicated for my noggin, but I copy-pasted it into a test sheet and lo and behold, it works.

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KCGolferGuy — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 02:19:59 GMT

You may be a novice programmer but you definitely know your way around a spreadsheet. This is starting to get interesting. Next question: is each session a separate file and the “imported” sheet and the “club” sheets are part of that file? You must have a “template” file with all the formulas and sheets created, is that correct? I haven’t done much with multiple sheets in one file, although I did use the LOOKUP function to manually adjust quota points for a 50 person league a few years ago. And have forgotten everything I learned doing it. But that’s just being 78 and a long way from my programming days. Thank heavens for spreadsheets - they are programming enough for this old bird…

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1400610 — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 01:35:24 GMT

Glad to share the ideas.

Yeah I sort by club. So I import the data from each session on one big page called “Imported Data”. Then I have separate pages (“sheets”) for each club. All the formulas on each of those pages looks at the imported data and the “club type” column that Garmin includes in the data. For example, to find the standard deviation on the Lob Wedge sheet I use =STDEV(IF('Imported Data'!$D:$D="Lob Wedge",'Imported Data'!E:E))

Using commas to separate each argument in the function, this function basically says “find the standard deviation of the data, if, on the Imported Data sheet, column D says “Lob Wedge”, include the associated Imported Data column E”.

I don’t yet have a good way of filtering by date, but I just got lazy and didn’t really try. I can give it a go tomorrow and see if I come up with something reasonable. Then you could plot it onto a trend… that would be sweet.

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KCGolferGuy — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 01:24:48 GMT

One other question: did you group data points by club? If so, do you then insert another session within that grouping? What I'd ultimately like is grouping by date (and summary/total line) within club to be able to do some trending...

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KCGolferGuy — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 01:19:16 GMT

A man after my heart, on all counts. Brilliant, actually. I'm not sure I would have thought of that. While I did computer measurement and capacity planning for a couple of years my actual knowledge of statistics is limited so I'm not so sure there is an easier way to handle them (outliers). Thanks for responding so quickly! And, yes, Google Sheets is the way to go...

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1400610 — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 01:10:58 GMT

I’m sure there’s an easier way, but in my Google sheet I use the STDEV function and IF function to exclude data points outside of 2 standard deviations from the data set.

The remaining points give me a good range and averages.

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KCGolferGuy — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 00:43:40 GMT

Did you handle outliers programmatically? I’m headed down the same path so it would be interesting to see how sophisticated you got…

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Garmin-Cody — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 14:18:51 GMT

The CT-10 sensors only assist in detecting shots, automating scoring, and offering further club metrics. The CT-10 sensors simply pair to the watch to help a compatible Garmin GPS device. The watch or handheld device recording your actual changes in location on the course map in-between shots, is how shot distance is recorded. The

CT-10 sensors have no way of tracking radar simulated distance, and in no way compatible, nor advertised as compatible. The CT-10 sensors were developed years before the Approach R10 was ever released, and are completely designed for use with Garmin Golf devices that use GPS during actual rounds of golf at a course.

The R10 is radar simulated distance, and the CT-10 are designed around using actual shot distance using GPS while the user is physically hitting a ball through a round using golf course maps as the user progresses shot for shot throughout the round.

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jaws1833 — Sun, 02 Jul 2023 22:31:02 GMT

I’d be interested, I just bought the R10 and put the CT10 on my clubs for this specific function. As I practice on the driving range, it should compile at least an average distance. I was hoping it would do this so I could select the correct club, based on past practice while in the course(s).

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Ott — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:47:55 GMT

If they record the practice data separately and call it something else, then it's simple to take an average, just like they do now with individual sessions. It doesn't need to be included with the other performance stats. Call it practice sessions and in those calculations only use the practice sessions for the average.

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Garmin-Cody — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:36:53 GMT

Our development team determined there isn't an easy way to include practice data in total club distance/average data. Similar to why we don't include sim data in other performance stats; it wouldn't be an accurate representation of performance.

We will continue to monitor feedback from our users regarding this option. At this time we have no updates regarding the feature being offered, and we will provide any additional information regarding sim session data being offered as it becomes available.

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1400610 — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 22:41:03 GMT

This is over 2 years old now… and I feel that it is completely bizarre that this feature still isn’t implemented. The same programming that is used to pull on-course data can be used to pull simulator driving range data. There could be a secondary “my-bag” section, or even just an aggregate simulator data section. Everyone with an R10 is asking for this, Garmin. I don’t understand why this isn’t a high priority for your team. You programmed a launch monitor… you can program a data compiler.

For the time being, and as a work-around, I use the “export” function on my sim sessions to send the data to Excel, then use my own formulas to calculate distances, spin rate, offline, etc, excluding outliers. If anyone is interested, I’d be happy to share the blank spreadsheet, then you can import your own data to see your cumulative data.

Also, for the record, it took me (a novice programmer) about two hours in Excel to make this work. The suggestion that the Garmin team is incapable of achieving this inside the app is laughable.

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Willard — Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:11:56 GMT

I agree, the sim sessions should be available to view/edit on Garmin Connect online. Where you can access your swing data etc.. generate all sorts of stats and analysis....

It's real sham this isnt an option ... Yet?