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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://forums.garmin.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Garmin Express Windows  - Recent Threads</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows</link><description /><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 13</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2026 15:08:29 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows" /><item><title>RE: Garmin Express for Windows: missing device icons</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2076424?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2026 15:08:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:0eb542fa-bba2-4da8-98e3-378352eb546e</guid><dc:creator>Garmin - PW</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2076424?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/443450/garmin-express-for-windows-missing-device-icons/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I have just send you an email.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Garmin Express for Windows: missing device icons</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/443450?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 21:56:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:ba4c6a69-0068-4845-a943-dc3cc0b7ab32</guid><dc:creator>jirisladky</dc:creator><slash:comments>14</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/443450?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/443450/garmin-express-for-windows-missing-device-icons/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;img style="max-height:240px;max-width:320px;" alt=" " src="https://forums.garmin.com/resized-image/__size/640x480/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/96/pastedimage1788558585100v1.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Garmin Express version: &lt;strong&gt;7.29.1&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s unbelievable that after almost a year and a half, Garmin developers haven&amp;#39;t pulled themselves together and fixed the missing device icons in the app:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- FENIX 8 AMOLED:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;when I bought the watch in 09/2024, the icon in the app was OK. But out of nowhere it disappeared sometime in the spring of 2025&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- FORERUNNER 970&lt;/strong&gt;:&amp;nbsp;the icon is not there from the beginning&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- HRM 600&lt;/strong&gt;:&amp;nbsp;the icon is not there from the beginning&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m getting my new Fenix ​​9 on Monday, so I&amp;#39;m curious, but I&amp;#39;m betting 90% that the icon will be missing again ...&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express for Windows: missing device icons</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2075853?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 17:12:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:ca4d0e0c-82fb-4cd0-b88c-d0f9b88717ad</guid><dc:creator>Sargineous</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2075853?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/443450/garmin-express-for-windows-missing-device-icons/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I too have the same problem with my Fenix 8. Can you please add me ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express can't update map on nuvi 2597</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2074615?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 19:51:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:87b98fbc-b6f9-40af-9220-8c273b5e9f59</guid><dc:creator>David-B-Sutton-Coldfield</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2074615?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/446802/garmin-express-can-t-update-map-on-nuvi-2597/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I think I have worked it out. After the software update,&amp;nbsp;Express says to disconnect the device. What it doesn&amp;#39;t say is to power-up the device separately without using the computer. The device will then restart itself and install the update. It is now downloading the map update!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Garmin Express can't update map on nuvi 2597</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/446802?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2026 16:02:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:d14f8d53-6b4e-444c-aaf1-45f476aff792</guid><dc:creator>David-B-Sutton-Coldfield</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/446802?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/446802/garmin-express-can-t-update-map-on-nuvi-2597/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I am using Express v7.29.1+6f36140f to update the City Navigator Europe map on my 2597. When I connect the device to my Windows 11 PC, Express recognises it and offers to install the Traffic Text, GLX, All Languages v2.20 as well as the 2027.30 map. I cannot select the map update on its own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I click Update Software, Express updates the Traffic Text, presumably, but the install doesn&amp;#39;t continue to update the map. When I disconnect and reconnect the nuvi, I get the same options and Express does a software update but doesn&amp;#39;t update the map.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have tried changing the Installation Options, but always get stuck on the software update stage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was able to install the map for an older nuvi 205W onto the PC using Express, but can&amp;#39;t get this to work with the 2597.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any ideas?&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express can't update map on nuvi 2597</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2074483?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 13:38:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:55936a95-af4e-4cb4-a678-6260dd8f580a</guid><dc:creator>David-B-Sutton-Coldfield</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2074483?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/446802/garmin-express-can-t-update-map-on-nuvi-2597/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the prompt reply. The built-in storage says 2.69GB free of 7.02GB and the Kingston 32GB microSD card says 22.1GB free of 28.8GB, as seen by Windows when the Nuvi is plugged in and Express is running. That 7GB or so of used space is for the previous version City Navigator Map. I found the space used in Express under Tools and Settings. That shows Device Storage as 61% full, 2.89GB free, and SD Card Storage 23% full, 23.77GB free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&amp;#39;t expect a problem with space, but if there was, I would download the maps to the PC and use MapInstall or similar. I don&amp;#39;t normally have to do that with the 2597 (I think). However, the only Install button that is live is for the Traffic Text. If I hover the mouse over the Install button for the map, it says &amp;quot;The required software update must be installed before this one.&amp;quot; The map file size is given as 11.36GB.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can select Install to computer only, Update All, and it &amp;quot;installs&amp;quot; the Traffic Text only, maybe, restarts the Nuvi and we go round again. Actually, there is no indication from the Nuvi that it is updating anything, but there is no error message on screen either.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express can't update map on nuvi 2597</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2074364?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2026 20:27:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:332f7f57-2885-4c2f-9ba9-8317b3eebfd2</guid><dc:creator>JohnfromPA</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2074364?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/446802/garmin-express-can-t-update-map-on-nuvi-2597/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m not sure how much space the Europe map may take but what size memory card is being used and how much free space exists on the card?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>salvataggio percorso</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/446609?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2026 16:59:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:5c071bbe-a07e-43d3-b1c1-359bdf0f1a7c</guid><dc:creator>1534752</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/446609?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/446609/salvataggio-percorso/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;quando salvo un percorso e lo riapro sulla base della pagina mi compare la scritta &amp;quot;&lt;span&gt;Per visualizzare i pericoli segnalati in questo percorso, attivali nelle impostazioni della mappa&amp;quot; che mi copre l&amp;#39;altimetria del percprso, non riesco a toglierla, premo sulla X ma non va via. come posso fare per eliminarla?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;____________________&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Translation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Saving Route&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;when I save a route and reopen it on the basis of the page I see the words &amp;quot;To view the dangers reported in this route, activate them in the map settings&amp;quot; which covers the altitude of the route, I can&amp;#39;t remove it, I press on the X but it doesn&amp;#39;t go away. How can I delete it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express for Windows: missing device icons</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2073155?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2026 01:00:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:51ae5dc1-3575-454c-9d01-7b3eea74fd61</guid><dc:creator>Garmin - DC</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2073155?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/443450/garmin-express-for-windows-missing-device-icons/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I have sent you an email to gather some additional information to get you added to the ticket!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express for Windows: missing device icons</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2072816?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 21:33:14 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:42385ddd-8e66-4ee9-b162-0b7ebbd12e5e</guid><dc:creator>p50kombi</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2072816?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/443450/garmin-express-for-windows-missing-device-icons/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Got the same issue with my new Fenix 8, any chance you could add me to the ticket also&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://forums.garmin.com/members/edc3136ec4b548faaf50af174450b873"&gt;Garmin - SP&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071806?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2026 15:30:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:93286661-d67f-456d-a450-95325f3a0f57</guid><dc:creator>Garmin - SP</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071806?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I reached back out to you via our original email thread as well requesting a video upload if possible.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/436318?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 11:57:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:96cdc195-6f15-4941-a75b-441e1a0428f3</guid><dc:creator>RinseRepeat</dc:creator><slash:comments>23</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/436318?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;it is almost comical how messed up and broken the 7 series is compare to the 6 series&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;except I am not laughing being stuck with this pile of bugs and broken features every day&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;almost every damn &amp;quot;feature&amp;quot; has some kind of bug on this watch, backlight, weather, sensor connections, everything&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;now why do the glances keep getting their order reset after I change and save them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect it has to do with a conflict between the watch as source for settings vs something in the phone app and they are fighting it out&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did Garmin fire all their best developers after 2020? is there just one developer that moves from watch to watch and is now just working on the newer 70/170 series?&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071635?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2026 20:06:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:051e8a8f-c3e0-41de-943a-5a7cfaa36be6</guid><dc:creator>Tomasz</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071635?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Done&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="emoticon" data-url="https://forums.garmin.com/cfs-file/__key/system/emoji/1f44d.svg" title="Thumbsup"&gt;&amp;#x1f44d;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>der Colony Club Gutenhof hat seit Juni 2026 ein neues Rating, Wann wird es diesbezüglich ein Update geben?</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/446138?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2026 18:53:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:7525d849-320f-492e-85c9-a4f6bcbb66b8</guid><dc:creator>Pupperl</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/446138?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/446138/der-colony-club-gutenhof-hat-seit-juni-2026-ein-neues-rating-wann-wird-es-diesbezuglich-ein-update-geben/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;der Colony Club Gutenhof hat seit Juni 2026 ein neues Rating, Wann wird es diesbez&amp;uuml;glich ein Update geben?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;_______________________________&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Translation&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the Colony Club Gutenhof has had a new rating since June 2026, when will there be an update on this?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071519?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:57:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:c8b0771a-c544-4832-81d9-2ccfd1a51247</guid><dc:creator>Garmin - PW</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071519?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>[quote userid="290669" url="~/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/2071060"]Could you send me a new code, or tell me another way to get them to you?[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;You may upload the collected logs&amp;nbsp;using the &lt;a title="Secure File Upload" href="https://supportforms.garmin.com/form/file-uploader/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"&gt;Secure File Upload&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please comment&amp;nbsp;when they have been uploaded.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071247?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2026 13:34:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:360ef70d-a66b-4be2-bbbb-cdf59cdc0901</guid><dc:creator>Tomasz</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071247?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks :) :)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071220?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2026 12:27:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:2cb9c680-362e-470b-a5e6-82bba9805d60</guid><dc:creator>RinseRepeat</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071220?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Garmin seriously needs to pay/reward you for debugging that&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;give them a big gift card or something like that Garmin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and fix it, most annoying almost daily problem&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;second most annoying is why NFC firmware keeps re-installing almost daily?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071061?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2026 19:41:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:8b5529b1-affb-476b-87e9-b5ab7585262c</guid><dc:creator>Tomasz</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071061?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Update from my side &amp;ndash; I can now reproduce this reliably, and I think I know where it comes from.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Setup: fēnix 8 47 mm Solar, latest firmware, Garmin Express 7.29.x on Windows 11 25H2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I did today:&lt;br /&gt;1. Installed a Connect IQ app (Spotify) on the watch through Garmin Express.&lt;br /&gt;2. Later removed the same app through Garmin Express.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After each operation, once the watch was unplugged, my glance order changed: 62 positions moved after the install, another 16 after the removal. Only glances were affected &amp;ndash; apps and activities kept their order.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where it seems to come from:&lt;br /&gt;The watch keeps its list of apps, glances and activities in GARMIN/Apps/OUT.BIN (visible over USB). When Garmin Express installs or removes a Connect IQ app, it writes a new complete list to GARMIN/Apps/IN.BIN, and the watch applies it after it is unplugged. I compared OUT.BIN before and after: the watch takes the glance order exactly from the list Garmin Express wrote. So the watch is doing what it is told &amp;ndash; the new order is already in the list that Garmin Express sends.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, Garmin Express does not keep the existing order from OUT.BIN when it builds the new list. It looks like it rebuilds the list in its own order. A possible hint: several built-in items exist on the watch both as an app and as a glance with the same ID, and those are among the entries that move.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I installed and removed the same app without Garmin Express, the order stayed exactly as it was, which fits this explanation. It would also explain why it happens during bigger Express operations like firmware or map updates &amp;ndash; if Express rewrites the app list then too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suggested fix: when Garmin Express writes IN.BIN, keep the entries in the same order as in the current OUT.BIN and only add or remove the affected app.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Workaround for others: keep a copy of GARMIN/Apps/OUT.BIN before using Garmin Express. It records your order, so at least you can see what changed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I tried to send the Garmin Express logs with the code you gave me in August, but Express says the report can&amp;#39;t be sent &amp;ndash; maybe the code has expired. I&amp;#39;ve saved today&amp;#39;s logs covering both the install and the removal. Could you send me a new code, or tell me another way to get them to you?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071060?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2026 19:40:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:75ae05a5-8090-4e73-aa9c-b2b1f268440b</guid><dc:creator>Tomasz</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071060?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I tried to send the Garmin Express logs with the code you gave me in August, but Express says the report can&amp;rsquo;t be sent &amp;ndash; maybe the code has expired. I&amp;rsquo;ve saved today&amp;rsquo;s logs (from C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Logs\Express) covering both the install and the removal. Could you send me a new code, or tell me another way to get them to you?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: glances keep changing order on a watch costing hundreds in version TWENTY-SIX of the firmware</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071050?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2026 19:29:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:6de3eedb-5c50-4e65-98a8-dd9ec441b4dc</guid><dc:creator>Tomasz</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2071050?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/436318/glances-keep-changing-order-on-a-watch-costing-hundreds-in-version-twenty-six-of-the-firmware/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Update from my side &amp;ndash; I can now reproduce this reliably.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Setup: fēnix 8 47 mm Solar, latest firmware, Garmin Express 7.29.x on Windows 11 25H2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I did today:&lt;br /&gt;1. Installed a Connect IQ app (Spotify) on the watch through Garmin Express.&lt;br /&gt;2. Later removed the same app through Garmin Express.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Result: after each of these operations, once the watch was unplugged, the order of my glances changed. After the install 62 positions in the glance list had moved, after the removal another 16. Only glances were affected &amp;ndash; the order of apps and activities stayed the same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I installed and removed the same app without Garmin Express, the glance order stayed exactly as it was. So in my case it is clearly triggered by Garmin Express, not by the watch itself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It looks like Garmin Express rewrites the whole app/glance list on the watch whenever it installs or removes a Connect IQ app, and writes it in a different order than the watch had. Several built-in items exist both as an app and as a glance, which may be related.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This also matches what I saw before: the reordering usually happened together with bigger operations in Garmin Express, like firmware or map updates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steps to reproduce:&lt;br /&gt;- arrange glances on the watch in a custom order,&lt;br /&gt;- install or remove any Connect IQ app via Garmin Express,&lt;br /&gt;- unplug the watch and look at the glance loop.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m sending Garmin Express logs now with the code I was given.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express 7.29.1.0 on WIN 11 - *** Itself Again</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2070446?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 15:59:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:e8139ca3-b806-4b30-afb6-5f60ac52ab2d</guid><dc:creator>JohnfromPA</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2070446?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/445798/garmin-express-7-29-1-0-on-win-11---itself-again/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;What have you done to research the issue? &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Garmin Express 7.29.1.0 on WIN 11 - *** Itself Again</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/445798?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2026 22:22:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:06dd35b5-b908-4251-8653-345e1fed5034</guid><dc:creator>atlas_cached</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/445798?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/445798/garmin-express-7-29-1-0-on-win-11---itself-again/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;This is what I am treated to today when I start Garmin Express on my WIN 11 PC with intel i7 and 32GB ram, 1TB SSHDD.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Thank you Garmin for blessing me so.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;img style="max-height:240px;max-width:320px;" src="https://forums.garmin.com/resized-image/__size/640x480/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/96/pastedimage1791498146704v1.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Yep, Lost ALL MY DEVICES AND INFO.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;ALL of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Garmin Devices not recognized on Windows 11 computers since January 2026</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/445232?ContentTypeID=0</link><pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2026 17:12:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:ccb7d8a9-841d-4f03-8631-9431bbf07b0d</guid><dc:creator>6303093</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/445232?ContentTypeID=0</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/445232/garmin-devices-not-recognized-on-windows-11-computers-since-january-2026/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I have a Nuvi 2455 that worked great for years.&amp;nbsp; My Windows 11 computer will not recognize the Nuvi 2455.&amp;nbsp; Basecamp &amp;amp; Garmin express work fine.&amp;nbsp; It shows that I need updates for the GPS but it can&amp;#39;t be viewed on the computer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The following updates were installed on the computer:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2025-12 Security Update (KB5072033) (26200.7462)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2025-&amp;lrm;12-&amp;lrm;09&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2026-01 .NET 8.0.23 Update for x64 Client (KB5074752)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2026-&amp;lrm;01-&amp;lrm;14&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2026-01 Security Update (KB5074109) (26200.7623)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2026-&amp;lrm;01-&amp;lrm;14&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2026-01 Preview Update (KB5074105) (26200.7705)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2026-&amp;lrm;01-&amp;lrm;30&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2026-02 .NET 8.0.24 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5077863)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2026-&amp;lrm;02-&amp;lrm;10&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2026-02 Security Update (KB5077181) (26200.7840)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2026-&amp;lrm;02-&amp;lrm;11&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2026-02 Preview Update (KB5077241) (26200.7922)&amp;nbsp;Successfully installed on &amp;lrm;2026-&amp;lrm;03-&amp;lrm;04&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have used Windows 11 with no issues for years and sometime between Dec 025 &amp;amp; March 2026 something changed &amp;amp; windows will not recognize garmin devices. I have tried all fixes I could find; check for system errors, power settings, different cables, different computers, but none will now see the device.&amp;nbsp; I can&amp;#39;t update maps or system updates.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looking for any suggestions to make system usable so I can upload maps to my devices&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Devices not recognized on Windows 11 computers since January 2026</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2069584?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 09:29:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:9e07d182-6a5b-4adb-b97b-25b84e3d547c</guid><dc:creator>4870762</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2069584?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/445232/garmin-devices-not-recognized-on-windows-11-computers-since-january-2026/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m seeing the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; same issue with&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; Garmin devices on&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; Windows especially&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; after the recent&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; 2026 updates. Hopefully&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; Garmin can identify&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; whether a Windows&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; update or USB&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; driver&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; change is causing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; it.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Garmin Express for Windows: missing device icons</title><link>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2069151?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 20:51:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a9571b57-dd57-479e-8763-8f8a603e40aa:065ed8bf-640c-4b19-9e0e-49a5acffd349</guid><dc:creator>jirisladky</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://forums.garmin.com/thread/2069151?ContentTypeID=1</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://forums.garmin.com/apps-software/mac-windows-software/f/garmin-express-windows/443450/garmin-express-for-windows-missing-device-icons/rss?ContentTypeId=0</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;img style="max-height:240px;max-width:320px;" alt=" " src="https://forums.garmin.com/resized-image/__size/640x480/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/96/pastedimage1791233310320v1.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting: I launched Garmin Express today, and surprisingly, the &lt;strong&gt;HRM 600&lt;/strong&gt; icon appeared correctly (without me doing anything)!&lt;br /&gt;But unfortunately, no icons for the F9, FR970, or Venu 4 yet :-(&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>